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Have we seen the end of Point CJ?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 8:57 am
CJ is so much better off ball. I hope Willie finally sees this. He's still getting good assists but the offense runs so much better through BI and even Herb.
CJ should not be a primary ball handler anymore. Zion, BI, Jose and Dyson are more than enough. CJ should strictly play off ball.
CJ should not be a primary ball handler anymore. Zion, BI, Jose and Dyson are more than enough. CJ should strictly play off ball.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:13 am to ghost2most
It's been a little bit since that was the case right?
Lately it's been BI, Dyson, and a little Herb. CJ still gets some time to time iso but its so nice not watching that 5-6 times a game. The Lakers game was brutal but that almost seems like an outlier of the last 8 games or so. Going back to feeding Jonas some more and going away from the iso has been so good for this team. And Trey has been huge obviously.
Lately it's been BI, Dyson, and a little Herb. CJ still gets some time to time iso but its so nice not watching that 5-6 times a game. The Lakers game was brutal but that almost seems like an outlier of the last 8 games or so. Going back to feeding Jonas some more and going away from the iso has been so good for this team. And Trey has been huge obviously.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:19 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Lately it's been BI, Dyson, and a little Herb. CJ still gets some time to time iso but its so nice not watching that 5-6 times a game. The Lakers game was brutal but that almost seems like an outlier of the last 8 games or so. Going back to feeding Jonas some more and going away from the iso has been so good for this team. And Trey has been huge obviously.
I know Shel's bat signal just went up to defend his boy. I'm not criticizing CJ in this post. I blame Willie and the staff for any failings CJ had in this role.
I'm interested to see how we integrate point BI and point Zion together without it turning into the two of them just taking turns.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:19 am to ghost2most
It's not just that CJ is better off ball, it's that you also put guys like Herb/Dyson/Naji on ball to minimize their off ball weaknesses.
CJ best 2 man lineups in +/- are:
Larry +12.7
Jose +4.8
Zion +4.7
I'm not sure why those Larry numbers are so high, but it's not surprising that his next 2 best pairings are players that push him more off ball.
CJ best 2 man lineups in +/- are:
Larry +12.7
Jose +4.8
Zion +4.7
I'm not sure why those Larry numbers are so high, but it's not surprising that his next 2 best pairings are players that push him more off ball.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:23 am to TigerinATL
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It's not just that CJ is better off ball, it's that you also put guys like Herb/Dyson/Naji on ball to minimize their off ball weaknesses.
Agree. Herb is so much better when he's not just standing there with no one within 10 feet of him.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:25 am to iwyLSUiwy
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And Trey has been huge obviously.
Sure helps when a 10ppg guy doubles his average on like 70% eFG…that’s actually my biggest concern…how much of that is sustainable when the Pels aren’t playing mostly teams that are actively tanking.
I’m hopeful so long as Trey keeps putting them up with increased volume…Pels don’t need him backsliding if he misses a few.
Hidden in Trey’s big run is that Josh has been shooting over 40% from downtown recently too. Huge difference if the Pels have 4 guys to space the floor (Trey, CJ, BI, Josh) vs. only 1 or 2.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:29 am to BamaPelican
Well one of Trey's biggest issues was disappearing on the road. Hopefully, that's becoming less of a thing.
Richardson is playing well.
My biggest concern is BI maintaining his aggressiveness and playing through contact.
Vanderbilt and Brooks give him hits by roughing him up and grabbing constantly. He needs to continue to play through contact and not lean away from it.
Same is true for Jonas. Stop taking fadeaways. You're 7 damn feet. Make them foul you.
Richardson is playing well.
My biggest concern is BI maintaining his aggressiveness and playing through contact.
Vanderbilt and Brooks give him hits by roughing him up and grabbing constantly. He needs to continue to play through contact and not lean away from it.
Same is true for Jonas. Stop taking fadeaways. You're 7 damn feet. Make them foul you.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:48 am to ghost2most
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Agree. Herb is so much better when he's not just standing there with no one within 10 feet of him.
This was such a huge factor to our terrible offense. Get herb moving and good things happen
Posted on 3/27/23 at 9:52 am to ghost2most
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I blame Willie and the staff for any failings CJ had in this role.
On this point, I’m not too harsh on Willie. CJ has suited up most games this season while BI, Zion, Alvarado, Dyson, Kira have not been available. That’s a lot of possible ball handling on the bench. Given the injury situation and what has been available this season, I don’t think asking CJ to be a primary PG for stretches was really avoidable.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 10:47 am to ghost2most
quote:I've said all season CJ should be off ball, stop being so paranoid.
I know Shel's bat signal just went up to defend his boy.

I take issue when you say nonsense like when you are constantly harping on his turnovers while never calling anyone else out for their turnovers, while you don't realize CJ takes care of the ball better than any of our other main facilitators.
There is a stark difference between making good points and bad points. I only call out the bad ones

This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 10:48 am
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:05 am to ghost2most
BI is better off ball too, not because of his style of play but because it is harder for them to double him off ball.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:49 am to shel311
You have agreed CJ should be off ball.
There’s also a stark difference in what CJ has done for us in the role he’s been given vs what we needed him to do.
Blame it on coaching sure, blame it on injuries sure, but you’ve made some “bad points” by just not admitting CJ had bad games.
“Well he’s not a true PG” “he’s just hurt” “Everyone else can’t make shots” “he’s still averaging the most assist of his career”
All of that is irrelevant if the dude still has bad games. I would agree with you more if you could say “CJ had a terrible game tonight” without having some bullshite excuse for him.
“He shot 1-20 but he’s averaging the most assists of his career” “He had 5 turnovers and 4 air balls because his finger is hurt”. “Everything is to blame for his decision making except his decisions”
Bro I get people have been extra tough on him but you go out of your way to defend him even when it actually is HIS fault for bad play.
There’s also a stark difference in what CJ has done for us in the role he’s been given vs what we needed him to do.
Blame it on coaching sure, blame it on injuries sure, but you’ve made some “bad points” by just not admitting CJ had bad games.
“Well he’s not a true PG” “he’s just hurt” “Everyone else can’t make shots” “he’s still averaging the most assist of his career”
All of that is irrelevant if the dude still has bad games. I would agree with you more if you could say “CJ had a terrible game tonight” without having some bullshite excuse for him.
“He shot 1-20 but he’s averaging the most assists of his career” “He had 5 turnovers and 4 air balls because his finger is hurt”. “Everything is to blame for his decision making except his decisions”
Bro I get people have been extra tough on him but you go out of your way to defend him even when it actually is HIS fault for bad play.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:54 am to shel311
And you continue to call people out for “not calling other players out”
Only 1 player on our team is the highest paid player. Only 1 player on our team is the veteran leader. Only 1 player is trusted to be our primary ball handler.
Stop trying to compare everyone’s opinions/ judgement of him to a 2nd year rookie or someone who makes 6 mil a year.
Only 1 player on our team is the highest paid player. Only 1 player on our team is the veteran leader. Only 1 player is trusted to be our primary ball handler.
Stop trying to compare everyone’s opinions/ judgement of him to a 2nd year rookie or someone who makes 6 mil a year.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 11:55 am to ghost2most
Hopefully this time next year Dyson is running point.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:05 pm to ghost2most
It’s pretty pathetic how long it took Willie to see this and make a change. Fans have been saying this for months. He’s so slow
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:06 pm to Dantheman504
quote:We've done this multiple times, I always call out when CJ has bad games. You're trying to argue something that isn't there.
Blame it on coaching sure, blame it on injuries sure, but you’ve made some “bad points” by just not admitting CJ had bad games.
quote:I've done that many times. Again, arguing something that isn't there. Not sure what else to tell you. And like I said, we've done this before, and I've showed you before when I say CJ has bad games, but here we are again...
All of that is irrelevant if the dude still has bad games. I would agree with you more if you could say “CJ had a terrible game tonight” without having some bullshite excuse for him.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:07 pm to Dantheman504
quote:What are you talking about? Just the example I used in this thread was comparing his ball handling to our other ball handlers...seriously, WTF are you talking about right now?
Only 1 player on our team is the highest paid player. Only 1 player on our team is the veteran leader. Only 1 player is trusted to be our primary ball handler.
Stop trying to compare everyone’s opinions/ judgement of him to a 2nd year rookie or someone who makes 6 mil a year.

You're saying he makes the most money so he should take care of the ball better than our other main ball handles who make less money, correct?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:09 pm to touchdownjeebus
We are fricked if Dyson is running point for us next year. Like shooting for the most ping pong balls fricked.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:18 pm to Dantheman504
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Only 1 player on our team is the veteran leader. Only 1 player is trusted to be our primary ball handler.
False
Posted on 3/27/23 at 12:25 pm to shel311
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You're saying he makes the most money so he should take care of the ball better than our other main ball handles who make less money, correct?
No. I’m saying he’s the highest paid player and should be held to a higher standard regardless. Idgaf about comparing him to other players on our team. He could have better stats than everyone and that doesn’t mean those stats are good or that he’s doing what he’s needs to.
There’s a huge difference between our highest paid player having bad games compared to our cheap players having bad games. That’s common sense, there’s no a comparison there.
So when you say “well CJ still did this better than this player” it doesn’t fricking mean shite if he still played bad or made mistakes.
For example: Damn CJ really killed us down that stretch and missed 4 shots. “Well this player missed 6 shots when CJ passed it to him”
Well did that player also cause CJ to frick up 4 times himself??? Because I don’t care if our scrub player missed 6 shots. I do care if CJ (our highest paid player) completely ruins several possessions.
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