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Anyone ever have their kid in ambulance from school?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:14 pm
Just curious if anyone had this experience. I know everything differs by state, city, school district, insurance, etc., but trying to piece this together.
Long story short my kid dislocated his shoulder in sports a few months back. Almost back, it happened again in PE during school. Sucks of course.
They took him to nurse, they called paramedics, asked if he was in pain, he was, paramedics gave him narcotics. School called my wife when he went to nurse to say it happened, she left to get him got there 10 mins later.
When she got there they said he had to ride in the ambulance to be "monitored" for the narcotics and she couldn't take him.
I'm glad they helped and quickly. I'm not so happy they gave him those drugs to a minor without parent permission and now I’m expecting a $5K bill for a 1.5 mile ride to the ER.
Is this normal? Right or wrong? I'm assuming I'm just screwed. I'm also old enough to realize health care is not about helping people, but making money, so I may be biased. TIA
Long story short my kid dislocated his shoulder in sports a few months back. Almost back, it happened again in PE during school. Sucks of course.
They took him to nurse, they called paramedics, asked if he was in pain, he was, paramedics gave him narcotics. School called my wife when he went to nurse to say it happened, she left to get him got there 10 mins later.
When she got there they said he had to ride in the ambulance to be "monitored" for the narcotics and she couldn't take him.
I'm glad they helped and quickly. I'm not so happy they gave him those drugs to a minor without parent permission and now I’m expecting a $5K bill for a 1.5 mile ride to the ER.
Is this normal? Right or wrong? I'm assuming I'm just screwed. I'm also old enough to realize health care is not about helping people, but making money, so I may be biased. TIA
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 6:26 pm
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Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:16 pm to ChunkyLover54
Sounds like time to lawyer up. frick that shite.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:17 pm to ChunkyLover54
What was the conversation between the school and your wife between before he was put in the ambulance?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:18 pm to theantiquetiger
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Sounds like time to lawyer up. frick that shite.
Yup. Waiting for everything to come back.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:18 pm to ChunkyLover54
Did you want your son to be in pain?
The school probably called an ambulance to avoid a lawsuit.
The school probably called an ambulance to avoid a lawsuit.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:20 pm to Costanza
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What was the conversation between the school and your wife between before he was put in the ambulance?
Before. They called her when he went to nurses office to say he was injured. When she got there he was being wheeled out in freaking gurney.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:20 pm to ChunkyLover54
If it’s Acadian Ambulance you’re in for a world of pain when the bill comes in. What is sad, is that if you were poor and on Medicaid, you’d owe nothing. B/c you work, you’ll be paying on a huge bill for the next several months.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:21 pm to ChunkyLover54
Lawyer up for what?
You gonna deny your kid pain meds?
You gonna deny your kid pain meds?
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:22 pm to L1C4
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Did you want your son to be in pain?
Obviously not and I'm not an expert in any of this. Just curious if anyone has experienced such a thing and what general protocol looks like in a similar situation.
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The school probably called an ambulance to avoid a lawsuit.
Yes
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:24 pm to ChunkyLover54
Dang, think it would be up to the parent to determine ambulance in cases like this but not sure
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:24 pm to Riverside
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If it’s Acadian Ambulance you’re in for a world of pain when the bill comes in. What is sad, is that if you were poor and on Medicaid, you’d owe nothing. B/c you work, you’ll be paying on a huge bill for the next several months.
Agreed. It's no AA.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:25 pm to ChunkyLover54
quote:Is this normal?
They took him to nurse, they called paramedics, asked if he was in pain, he was, they gave him narcotics.
I mean I know a dislocated shoulder hurts, but its not kidney stone level pain that cannot be assuaged. Seems odd to me.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:26 pm to ChunkyLover54
Only way you are screwed is if you signed something that gave them permission to give your kid pain meds AND make the call for whether or not he needed an Ambulance prior to calling you or your wife.
If you didn't sign any of the above, get a lawyer and at the very least get the school to pay the medical bills that you would have avoided had they not acted without your permission.
If you didn't sign any of the above, get a lawyer and at the very least get the school to pay the medical bills that you would have avoided had they not acted without your permission.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:26 pm to theantiquetiger
I expect a ton of downvotes, but I lived in Louisiana until a few years out of college and have lived in four other states since moving. I can confidently say the “lawyer up”, sue happy culture in Louisiana is unique to Louisiana.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:28 pm to ChunkyLover54
You better call Lewis Unglesby right now and take this case all the way to the Supreme Court
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:28 pm to ChunkyLover54
Yeah no I don't think you are screwed on this.
I don't think you can blanket consent to an ER ride in any required documentation to the school, that would likely be ruled null or inapplicable in this situation. I think the EMT or ambulance operator or whoever has to get permission on the spot, absent a situation where it is not reasonable to obtain consent (alone unconscious victim, no way to contact family, etc.). Seems like since they called your wife they could have just as easily asked for consent for the ambulance ride.
I feel like you probably come out on top but always expensive and risky to fight stuff like this
I don't think you can blanket consent to an ER ride in any required documentation to the school, that would likely be ruled null or inapplicable in this situation. I think the EMT or ambulance operator or whoever has to get permission on the spot, absent a situation where it is not reasonable to obtain consent (alone unconscious victim, no way to contact family, etc.). Seems like since they called your wife they could have just as easily asked for consent for the ambulance ride.
I feel like you probably come out on top but always expensive and risky to fight stuff like this
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:28 pm to Hogwarts
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Dang, think it would be up to the parent to determine ambulance in cases like this but not sure
Yeah, you'd think. Just looking for any insight on a similar situation. In principle it seems wrong to give narcotics to a minor in general, but I understand. They had just spoken to my wife, she was on her way, it's not as though we were unresponsive.
They ambulance thing I don't like. As I said, they told my wife she could not take him in our vehicle, he had to go in the ambulance for "monitoring." I'm not looking for a definitive legal opinion here, but just not sure how to look at the situation.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:29 pm to L1C4
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Did you want your son to be in pain?
A dislocated shoulder sucks but it is not an emergency situation where they needed to act without speaking to the parents first and asking their wishes.
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The school probably called an ambulance to avoid a lawsuit.
Jokes on them because I would sue specifically for this reason. The pain meds is a problem but won't cost the parent much. An Ambulance could financially bankrupt a family. And to call one for a non life threatening injury is ridiculous. The parents could have easily picked the kid up and drove him to the ER for free.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:30 pm to ChunkyLover54
Totally okay to give minors pain meds, without the parents permission, but we gotta make sure no one can smoke that deadly devils lettuce.
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:33 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Is this normal?
I mean I know a dislocated shoulder hurts, but its not kidney stone level pain that cannot be assuaged. Seems odd to me.
Right. I mean, he's in middle school and his shoulder was out. They ask you if you're in pain, yes, of course. Painful but not life threatening. I don't want him to suffer and they only side i have is a 13 y/o's POV who obviously has no insight into the bigger liability picture.
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