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Kids learning to tackle
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:23 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:23 am
This is a serious question, so guys that actually watch local high school sports chime in. Is tackling in high school as bad as we see on the college level? Are they not being taught how to tackle or is it an attitude, no pride issue? AS in.....today's offenses are gonna score 40 anyway so why should I try to stop them?
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:26 am to EauxZark Tiger
In Rugby, they start teaching tackling pretty young. It is illegal to tackle with anything but your arms. You are taught to tackle and do it effectively. I don't know what they teach in football, or what they're teaching in practice at LSU, obviously it's not the fundamentals.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:30 am to EauxZark Tiger
The coaching is poor at the lower levels and guys are always seeking to make the highlight play over the fundamental play. Big hits get roars from the crowd. It gets your teammates fired up. It gets shown on TV. Solid fundamental tackling doesn't.
No different than when Michael Jordan became really the first world-wide megastar athlete. Jordan was a tremendous competitor. A great defender. A solid shooter. But what made Jordan famous? The gravity-defying dunks. So that's how every kid wanted to play as well. Being a good shooter? That's boring. I want to dunk (forgetting the fact there is only one Michael Jordan). The result was a few generations of worse and worse shooting because they didn't care to be a great shooter (though the Warrior's pace and space approach to offense has made shooting "cool" again)
No different than when Michael Jordan became really the first world-wide megastar athlete. Jordan was a tremendous competitor. A great defender. A solid shooter. But what made Jordan famous? The gravity-defying dunks. So that's how every kid wanted to play as well. Being a good shooter? That's boring. I want to dunk (forgetting the fact there is only one Michael Jordan). The result was a few generations of worse and worse shooting because they didn't care to be a great shooter (though the Warrior's pace and space approach to offense has made shooting "cool" again)
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 9:32 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:31 am to EauxZark Tiger
There are a couple of kids on my sons HS varsity team that are flat out animals when it comes to tackling. Most of them do a pretty good job.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 9:58 am to EauxZark Tiger
There is a lot of bad tackling in HS football, or maybe I should say bad form when tackling. Even on good teams. It's just that there is also a lot more disparity between the P5 prospect talent and the average or even slightly above-average players. So guys will successfully make an arm tackle against a less physically gifted player, take bad angles but be able to still run a guy down, Hit a guy too high but are still enough stronger to make the tackle, and have other form issues but get away with that over and over. The incentive to correct that comes once they enter college unless they have an outstanding coach in their life in HS, If they can't shed those bad habits, they end up being a bust.
I think it may be why you sometimes see obviously less gifted athletes outpace better athletes, particularly at first. They had to practice fundamentally sound football to compete with those more gifted players in high school.
I think it may be why you sometimes see obviously less gifted athletes outpace better athletes, particularly at first. They had to practice fundamentally sound football to compete with those more gifted players in high school.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:00 am to EauxZark Tiger
I’d have to imagine the way I was taught to tackle back in the day isn’t allowed now a days.
Could be a reason why we see so much poor tackling now. They’re not allowed to hit in practice & wear pillows on their helmets
Could be a reason why we see so much poor tackling now. They’re not allowed to hit in practice & wear pillows on their helmets
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:09 am to EauxZark Tiger
Find the thigh and drive for 5
This is what we teach 9-10 year olds. They tackle better than CFB and NFL players
The massive hit on JD....that was an awful tackle. It wasnt ever a tackle. It was the Madden truck stick. If JD didnt weight 105 pounds, he would have bounced off of that bitch from Ole Miss and waltzed to the 1st down. Actually, he would have slipped the tackle if he wasnt in neurtral from the guy holding his undershirt
This is what we teach 9-10 year olds. They tackle better than CFB and NFL players
The massive hit on JD....that was an awful tackle. It wasnt ever a tackle. It was the Madden truck stick. If JD didnt weight 105 pounds, he would have bounced off of that bitch from Ole Miss and waltzed to the 1st down. Actually, he would have slipped the tackle if he wasnt in neurtral from the guy holding his undershirt
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:17 am to EauxZark Tiger
They don’t understand leverage, it seems.
We also had a lot of guys ok with the next guy making the tackle- that was tough to watch also.
We also had a lot of guys ok with the next guy making the tackle- that was tough to watch also.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:47 am to EauxZark Tiger
regardless of HS, first order of business on college field should be assessment of skill level in fundamentals. Can't tackle? Then player goes to remedial tackling class. You fix this crap in spring training, not halfway through the season!
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:48 am to 756
our D coaches may need to attend class also
Posted on 10/3/23 at 10:53 am to EauxZark Tiger
I think tackling at the college level will only get worse with NIL. They are already getting paid so why risk injury? I hate to say it but the players aren't as eager to impress now that they are getting paid.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:17 am to EauxZark Tiger
Most HS don't do near the amount of live scrimmaging they did several decades ago. Therefore, most youngsters don't grow up learning good technique for tackling.
They much prefer the 7 on 7 stuff, which is no tackling, and only highlights the skill spots - qb, wr and db.
But, as we're seeing, poor tackling will kill you defensively.
They much prefer the 7 on 7 stuff, which is no tackling, and only highlights the skill spots - qb, wr and db.
But, as we're seeing, poor tackling will kill you defensively.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:21 am to EauxZark Tiger
There’s a constant battle going on at the youth through high school with competing schools of thought on how to tackle. The desire to remove the head from the tackling zone leads to a lot of bad form and missed tackles also increasing arm and shoulder injuries as kids are tackling late bc of the fear of their helmet being involved. Many say we should teach the rugby style which in general is great but certain aspects are extremely difficult to teach in American football. Add to that many youth looking for the big shoulder hit and not wrapping up, leading what we’ve been seeing get worse over the last decade.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:28 am to EauxZark Tiger
I don’t think my son’s high school team does any live tackling in practice…doesn’t look like it. You should see them ‘try’ to block for punting and field goals…it’s like they jump out of the way.
This post was edited on 10/3/23 at 11:31 am
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:42 am to EauxZark Tiger
It really seems like “wrapping up” is a lost art. I see guys hitting each other, but not wrapping up and making the tackle.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:43 am to EauxZark Tiger
This is just my personal theory, but the proliferation of spread offenses and 7 on 7 at youth levels has made kids want to gravitate towards offense which has also forced coaches to spend their time teaching spread concepts. There's also a lot of rules in place about how many padded practices they can have which cuts down significantly on practice reps tackling. You have to practice tackling, pursuit angles, taking on blockers with proper shoulder etc in order to be good at it.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:22 pm to GeauxLSU4
I can guarantee every player on the team knows how to tackle. Knowing how to tackle is only half of the equation, you have to WANT to tackle to do that effectively.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:48 pm to BEATIGER
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Most HS don't do near the amount of live scrimmaging they did several decades ago
This. Full contact practices are a fraction of what they used to be. 3/4 speed or "pulling up" on the ball carrier is the vast majority of the team time.
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:52 pm to TBoy@LSU
Yes, they all know how to tackle but you have to get reps doing it while at practice. Imagine every QB only throwing 5 passes at practice everyday to save their arms and then trying to play a game on Saturday with 25 passes thrown for the entire week. It won't look pretty.
Posted on 10/4/23 at 7:09 am to GeauxLSU4
practice is directed by coaches. If you want better tackling, make it a priority and the players will also.
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