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Posted on 10/27/11 at 1:45 am to StrickAggie06
By the way, you have your facts messed up on this quote:
That $20 million guarantee was made after Nebraska had already decided to leave the conference.
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We pushed for equal revenue sharing, but when Texas/OU/Neb refused we demanded an equal share to those schools. That's where the $20mil guarantee came from.
That $20 million guarantee was made after Nebraska had already decided to leave the conference.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 6:36 am to texashorn
Here's another head-scratcher for the Aggies to answer.
It takes 75 percent of the Big 12 members to change conference bylaws, which translates to 8 out of 10 members (after Nebraska and Colorado left, which was the case during this spring's Big 12 meetings, when the Texas, OU and A&M blockade of equal revenue sharing took place).
If A&M was so adamant about equal revenue sharing, all the Aggies had to do was side with the other seven, and lo and behold, they would've defeated Texas and Oklahoma and changed the bylaws to include equal revenue sharing.
Why did A&M vote to continue unequal revenue sharing, as reported by the three sources I've included? (NBC, CBS and the Columbia (Mo.) Tribune.)
It takes 75 percent of the Big 12 members to change conference bylaws, which translates to 8 out of 10 members (after Nebraska and Colorado left, which was the case during this spring's Big 12 meetings, when the Texas, OU and A&M blockade of equal revenue sharing took place).
If A&M was so adamant about equal revenue sharing, all the Aggies had to do was side with the other seven, and lo and behold, they would've defeated Texas and Oklahoma and changed the bylaws to include equal revenue sharing.
Why did A&M vote to continue unequal revenue sharing, as reported by the three sources I've included? (NBC, CBS and the Columbia (Mo.) Tribune.)
Posted on 10/27/11 at 6:50 am to texashorn
quote:let me guess...the article is littered with references to unnamed sources....am I right?
Additionally, there is this link that says that A&M voted "no" on equal revenue sharing in the last vote the conference took:
Posted on 10/27/11 at 9:01 am to Chicken
FYI, Tuberville just said on radio interview that Texas Tech will be the replacement "Thanksgiving game", but I didn't catch if that was to begin next year---=would think so. They are having to undo a Jerry World thing (w? Baylor?) to accomodate.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 9:21 am to fontell
Well, the bar isn't set too high for us.....we could play just about any SEC school on TG and be better off.
Hell, we could play UH and be on par.
Hell, we could play UH and be on par.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 9:28 am to fontell
What an absolutely thrilling matchup that would be. Must see TV, to be sure
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:26 am to TbirdSpur2010
For the record, A&M did a study under Loftin and found that the most competitive leagues shared revenue equally. He took the findings to heart. Since sharing revenue equally wasn't going to happen for a multitude of reasons (LHN explicitly killing a network showing content from all the league schools, too many schools far away from population centers not able to pull their share revenue-generation wise for a multitude of reasons, not enough time slots to showcase the games that were available - reducing the payouts for everyone as a result - and politics involved with making the change impossible anyway).
It was either a decision to stay at a permanent competitive disadvantage in exposure, marketing and income in the Big 12 with "partners" you did not trust one bit, or go on to an equal footing with the SEC member institutions, where the sky was the limit with tier 1/2/3 income and marketing potential for the school and its athletic programs.
"It was strictly business, nothing personal". The fact that we will love rubbing your faces in the ashes of the dumpster-fire that is the "Big" 12 conference is purely an unintended side effect.
It was either a decision to stay at a permanent competitive disadvantage in exposure, marketing and income in the Big 12 with "partners" you did not trust one bit, or go on to an equal footing with the SEC member institutions, where the sky was the limit with tier 1/2/3 income and marketing potential for the school and its athletic programs.
"It was strictly business, nothing personal". The fact that we will love rubbing your faces in the ashes of the dumpster-fire that is the "Big" 12 conference is purely an unintended side effect.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:05 am to texashorn
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A key to stability, Texas A&M thought, was equal sharing of revenues. Equal benefits to all the institutions in the conference. And when it may appear that one or more of us are receiving different benefits than the others, I believe that takes us in the wrong direction.
Quote from A&M President Dr. R. Bowen Loftin
LINK /
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:10 am to Big Kat
Posted on 10/27/11 at 1:56 pm to texashorn
I will explain it one more time, since you are clearly having trouble understanding this. That article says one of two things: the media is as idiotic as you and doesn't understand the difference between granting media rights and equal revenue sharing, or the BigXII vote made equal revenue sharing contingent on granting media rights. Either way we voted against granting the conference our media rights NOT equal revenue sharing.
Case in point: the SEC employs equal revenue sharing and every member gets the same share of conference revenue as everyone else. They do not, however, require their members to grant the SEC their media rights, as their is no established penalty for leaving the SEC. There isn't even an exit fee.
Shortly after we left the BigXII, the remaining members got Texas to agree to equal sharing of Tier1 and Tier2 media rights. After that they also considered a 6 yr grant of rights to the conference, which once mizzou is replaced, they will do.
They are two completely different things, you stupid whorn idiot.
Case in point: the SEC employs equal revenue sharing and every member gets the same share of conference revenue as everyone else. They do not, however, require their members to grant the SEC their media rights, as their is no established penalty for leaving the SEC. There isn't even an exit fee.
Shortly after we left the BigXII, the remaining members got Texas to agree to equal sharing of Tier1 and Tier2 media rights. After that they also considered a 6 yr grant of rights to the conference, which once mizzou is replaced, they will do.
They are two completely different things, you stupid whorn idiot.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 2:47 pm to StrickAggie06
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There isn't even an exit fee.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 7:28 pm to StrickAggie06
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the BigXII vote made equal revenue sharing contingent on granting media rights. Either way we voted against granting the conference our media rights NOT equal revenue sharing
First you say that the vote in question was for equal revenue sharing contingent on granting media rights, then you say that your "NO" vote was against granting rights, not equal revenue.
It was one combined issue, not two separate ones.
If A&M was all for equal revenue sharing and a strong conference, then why didn't they vote "YES" on this issue? Why were they afraid to grant the conference A&M's media rights? All it took was their single vote to lock in the Big 12 to equal revenue sharing to further strengthen the conference. Was it because they were leaving their options open to bail on the conference long before the summer, when it all blew up publicly?
A&M has always been the key vote (along with Texas, Oklahoma and Nebraska) to keep uneven revenue sharing. The Aggies have had their chances to break with Texas, OU and Nebraska, but failed to ever do so, which would've tipped the balance (75 percent to change bylaws) in favor of the have-nots.
Therefore, I stand by my original statement which you disputed, which was that A&M continually voted against equal revenue sharing.
And yes, I will trust reputable journalism sources over a 27/28 year old agroid.
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the SEC employs equal revenue sharing and every member gets the same share of conference revenue as everyone else.
That is not completely true. Third tier rights are still reserved by the individual schools. To form an SEC Network similar to the Big Ten and Pac-12 networks, then each SEC school will have to grant their third-tier rights to the conference. That has yet to happen.
Maybe it will, maybe it won't.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 8:26 pm to texashorn
Did you even read the links I posted? Of course you didn't. You dint want to discuss. You want to talk smugly like you know shite. But you don't.
Now STFU and go whine about it on shaggybevo
Now STFU and go whine about it on shaggybevo
Posted on 10/27/11 at 9:05 pm to texashorn
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First you say that the vote in question was for equal revenue sharing contingent on granting media rights, then you say that your "NO" vote was against granting rights, not equal revenue.
Let me rephrase since you are too dense to understand. We were against granting our media rights to the conference, so because equal revenue sharing was contingent on granting our media rights to the conference we voted against it. The implication is that we voted against equal revenue sharing, when in fact we were against granting our rights to the BigXII regardless of what desired provisions were attached to it.
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If A&M was all for equal revenue sharing and a strong conference, then why didn't they vote "YES" on this issue? Why were they afraid to grant the conference A&M's media rights? All it took was their single vote to lock in the Big 12 to equal revenue sharing to further strengthen the conference. Was it because they were leaving their options open to bail on the conference long before the summer, when it all blew up publicly?
We had no desire to grant our rights because it would trap us in the BigXII and our admin was not convinced that Texas would live up to their promises in regards to the LHN, # of games to be shown on it, and highschool content (which you didn't).
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And yes, I will trust reputable journalism sources
The media has been FAR from reputable throughout coverage of conference realignment, reporting things without all the facts one day, and then posting another story with more correct information after the fact. The fact that you place all your faith in these "reputable sources" is why you have absolutely no fricking idea what you're talking about.
So, for the last time, A&M was against granting its media rights to the conference and not equal revenue sharing. If you still can't understand this please do the world a favor and refrain from reproducing. The world has enough stupid people as it is.
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That is not completely true. Third tier rights are still reserved by the individual schools. To form an SEC Network similar to the Big Ten and Pac-12 networks, then each SEC school will have to grant their third-tier rights to the conference. That has yet to happen.
I was referring to Tier1/Tier2 rights only, as the issues regarding equal revenue sharing have only pertained to Tier1/Tier2 rights.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 9:52 pm to StrickAggie06
So what you're saying is, is that A&M has NEVER voted for equal revenue sharing, not one single time, in its tenure in the Big 12, even though A&M could've been the swing vote to do so.
Thank you for making my point.
P.S. to Big Kat -- I read your links, and one of them was following the July board of regents meeting when it was obvious to everyone and his dog that the Aggies were going to try to leave the Big 12, and the other two were when the decision had already been made to leave. By that time, it was a moot point.
Why didn't your administration literally put its money where its mouth was when it had the chance, from 1996 onward?
Thank you for making my point.
P.S. to Big Kat -- I read your links, and one of them was following the July board of regents meeting when it was obvious to everyone and his dog that the Aggies were going to try to leave the Big 12, and the other two were when the decision had already been made to leave. By that time, it was a moot point.
Why didn't your administration literally put its money where its mouth was when it had the chance, from 1996 onward?
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:15 pm to texashorn
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So what you're saying is, is that A&M has NEVER voted for equal revenue sharing, not one single time, in its tenure in the Big 12, even though A&M could've been the swing vote to do so.
Holy shite, you're retarded. That isn't even close to what I am saying. Your link referenced one vote, and only one vote. Furthermore, the vague quote in your link doesn't specify that the vote was even for equal revenue sharing. His uses the phrase "equal revenue sharing" to refer to granting of media rights.
Either Dennis Dodd doesn't understand the difference and misused the phrase, or the vote for equal revenue sharing was contingent on granting our media rights to the conference, which we absolutely weren't going to do. There isn't a conference in college football that does this for Tier1/Tier2 rights, and we had no desire to be handcuffed to a conference. Forcing members to stay in the conference is not the same thing as stability.
We also voted with the rest of the conference for equal distribution of Tier2 revenue this past June (notice how it doesn't include granting media rights to the conference):
LINK
Now, take your retarded, mongoloid self back to shaggybevo where you belong.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:18 pm to texashorn
Post links showing votes from prior to Dr. Loftin was our president of how we voted. Give me something.
I have shown you that Dr. Loftin has never supported the model the B12 was using
I have shown you that Dr. Loftin has never supported the model the B12 was using
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:19 pm to StrickAggie06
Wow! Second tier revenue sharing is equal revenue sharing!
(That was just a bone thrown to the other schools, and you know it.)
Try again, agroid.
(That was just a bone thrown to the other schools, and you know it.)
Try again, agroid.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:20 pm to texashorn
texashorn, in your opinion, why does every school that is in the Big 12 that has the option to leave has left? Why did NU, CU, A&M, & Mizzou all decide to jump ship?
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I'll hang up and listen
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