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re: More Big 12 GOLD
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:26 pm to Big Kat
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:26 pm to Big Kat
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I have shown you that Dr. Loftin has never supported the model the B12 was using
Then why didn't he get together with the other schools and force a vote to where first AND second tier revenue was shared equally, without granting media rights to the conference, no strings attached? Surely, Baylor, K St. and the rest would've jumped at that.
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Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:26 pm to Big Kat
Reasoning with a horn=exercise in futility
ignorance wrapped inside arrogance.
ignorance wrapped inside arrogance.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:30 pm to texashorn
I asked for your opinion also
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:30 pm to Big Kat
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Why did NU, CU, A&M, & Mizzou all decide to jump ship?
Nebraska cited "unequal revenue sharing," which has already been proven to be a total, utter lie.
Colorado left when it looked obvious two summers ago that the Big 12 was going to implode, and that CU, Tech, Texas, Oklahoma were going to the Pac 10, and Colorado jumped the gun and accepted first, but then the Big 12 was "saved."
A&M left because they were tired of being on the losing end, politcally (edit: make that politIcally), to the University of Texas.
Missouri wants to leave because they don't believe the Big 12 will survive much longer, and is seeking stability (which is truly "cutting your nose off to spite you face," because that totally ruins their Texas recruiting pipeline).
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:32 pm to texashorn
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Then why didn't he get together with the other schools and force a vote to where first AND second tier revenue was shared equally, without granting media rights to the conference, no strings attached? Surely, Baylor, K St. and the rest would've jumped at that.
Baylor? Not hardly. But let's not pretend any of us have any idea that we know what kind of political jockeying is happening between ADs and Presidents. Thats a lot of ego and money on the line.
All I know is Loftin said it was OBVIOUS equal revenue sharing would not be agreed upon
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:33 pm to texashorn
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Nebraska cited "unequal revenue sharing," which has already been proven to be a total, utter lie.
Then why did they leave?
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:35 pm to texashorn
If I'm opening a casino I copy the Vegas model. Can we agree the SEC is by far the best conference?
Wouldnt it be smart to follow their example as a new conference?
Wouldnt it be smart to follow their example as a new conference?
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:37 pm to Big Kat
Nebraska was also tired of getting rammed by UT politically. It all started with partial qualifiers when the conference first formed.
However, I think the real reason is this: they could make more money in the Big 10. Yes, their "unequal revenue sharing" started biting them in the butt.
To wit:
Big 12 2008-09 Revenue Sharing
1. Oklahoma, $12.2 million
2. Texas, $11.8 million
3. Kansas, $11.5 million
4. Missouri, $10.4 million
5. Texas A&M, $10.2 million
6. Oklahoma State, $10.0 million
7. Colorado, $9.77 million
8. Nebraska, $9.73 million
9. Texas Tech, $9.2 million
10. Baylor, $9.1 million
11. Iowa State, $8.9 million
12. Kansas State, $8.4 million
Nebraska drops to eighth in Big 12 revenue
However, I think the real reason is this: they could make more money in the Big 10. Yes, their "unequal revenue sharing" started biting them in the butt.
To wit:
Big 12 2008-09 Revenue Sharing
1. Oklahoma, $12.2 million
2. Texas, $11.8 million
3. Kansas, $11.5 million
4. Missouri, $10.4 million
5. Texas A&M, $10.2 million
6. Oklahoma State, $10.0 million
7. Colorado, $9.77 million
8. Nebraska, $9.73 million
9. Texas Tech, $9.2 million
10. Baylor, $9.1 million
11. Iowa State, $8.9 million
12. Kansas State, $8.4 million
Nebraska drops to eighth in Big 12 revenue
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:41 pm to texashorn
So wouldn't they WANT equal revenue sharing if they were 8th in league in $$$.
Why Woukd you think that was a lie? Talking out of both sides of your mouth much?
Bottom line: Texas is greedy. A bad conference member and have ruined 2 conferences.
And I'm glad they did. frick you guys, we're in the SEC. Enjoy playing 2nd fiddle to A&M
Why Woukd you think that was a lie? Talking out of both sides of your mouth much?
Bottom line: Texas is greedy. A bad conference member and have ruined 2 conferences.
And I'm glad they did. frick you guys, we're in the SEC. Enjoy playing 2nd fiddle to A&M
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:44 pm to Big Kat
They were talking out of both sides of their mouth because as former conference commish Beebe said, Nebraska was the most adamant to keep the model from the very beginning.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:44 pm to texashorn
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Wow! Second tier revenue sharing is equal revenue sharing!
Equal revenue sharing of 2nd Tier rights is exactly what it says, and this was done following the new Fox deal for our 2nd Tier rights. Regardless, you said...
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Therefore, I stand by my original statement which you disputed, which was that A&M continually voted against equal revenue sharing.
...and I clearly show you an example of us voting FOR equal revenue sharing, to which you try to spin into something else because you can't stand the fact that you're wrong.
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Then why didn't he get together with the other schools and force a vote to where first AND second tier revenue was shared equally, without granting media rights to the conference, no strings attached? Surely, Baylor, K St. and the rest would've jumped at that.
It's not Dr. Loftin's job to run the conference, it was Dan Beebe's, who took his orders from Deloss Dodds and Bill Powers. President Loftin is a pretty busy guy and has more important things to occupy his time than to do Beebe's job for him. Maybe you should ask your administration why they continually refused to do what was best for the long term stability and success of the conference instead of leveraging more money and power for Texas at the expense of the rest of the conference?
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:46 pm to StrickAggie06
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I clearly show you an example of us voting FOR equal revenue sharing
Sharing 76 percent of revenues is NOT completely equal revenue sharing of first- and second-tier revenues, regardless of what kind of math they teach in Malfunction Junction.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:46 pm to Big Kat
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have ruined 2 conferences
This is total, utter bullshite. Texas did NOT ruin the Southwest Conference.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:51 pm to texashorn
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Sharing 76 percent of revenues is NOT completely equal revenue sharing of first- and second-tier revenues, regardless of what kind of math they teach in Malfunction Junction.
And clearly they don't teach reading comprehension at Bevo U. From my link:
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For starters, the 13-year deal with Fox Sports, worth about $1.2 billion for second-tier rights, will be distributed equally among the 10 remaining members.
From my post:
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We also voted with the rest of the conference for equal distribution of Tier2 revenue this past June
So, as I said, we voted on equal distribution of Tier2 revenue, contrary to your entire argument.
This post was edited on 10/27/11 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 10/27/11 at 10:57 pm to StrickAggie06
Equal revenue sharing of SECOND-TIER rights does not equal revenue sharing of first and second-tier revenue.
It raised first AND second-tier sharing from 57 percent to 76 percent. Now run along and google.
It raised first AND second-tier sharing from 57 percent to 76 percent. Now run along and google.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:04 pm to texashorn
Do you really think if A&M wanted unequal revenue sharing, and HAD unequal revenue sharing we would have left an easy joke of a conference to jump in a lions den?
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:05 pm to texashorn
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We also voted with the rest of the conference for equal distribution of Tier2 revenue this past June
It's like you possess no functional brain matter whatsoever. I never claimed it was for both 1st and 2nd Tier rights, only a vote for equal sharing of 2nd Tier rights. So, we voted for a measure of equal revenue sharing. As far as to why it wasn't extended to full sharing for 1st tier as well, idk, but I imagine Texas had something to do with it being as:
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The remaining 24 percent (of 1st Tier rights) is to provide incentive for stronger nonconference scheduling in seeking more prominent television presence.
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:08 pm to StrickAggie06
You guys are really reaching now. 
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:09 pm to texashorn
You're not a good troll or are really dumb
Posted on 10/27/11 at 11:22 pm to texashorn
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You guys are really reaching now.
Translation: You were clearly incorrect in your various claims due to overwhelming ignorance of the subject and are too arrogant to admit it.
Texashorn, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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