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re: Would Napier be mentioned at all here if he was the App State head coach?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:06 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:06 am to Fun Bunch
Man what a novel take
Someone just posted an article from this summer ranking college coaches nationally and he was in the Top 20. Filter our coaches that are seemingly not realistic or don't make any sense for us, and he quickly moves up the list for LSU based on that alone.
Also, the LA connection is not something to dismiss. He knows the area and culture well and would be able to hit the ground running. It's also worth pointing out he was an elite recruiter at Bama and seems to be highly regarded in that area. He also seems like a good program builder beyond recruiting, and based on a small sample size, seems to hire good coordinators (elite defense during his tenure). He also seems like he would be a good antidote for the disastrous program culture LSU has right now.
Not my first pick but it's silly to act like his name is coming out of nowhere and it's only because he's "one of us." If Riley or Aranda don't work out, I think he's a good option.
Someone just posted an article from this summer ranking college coaches nationally and he was in the Top 20. Filter our coaches that are seemingly not realistic or don't make any sense for us, and he quickly moves up the list for LSU based on that alone.
Also, the LA connection is not something to dismiss. He knows the area and culture well and would be able to hit the ground running. It's also worth pointing out he was an elite recruiter at Bama and seems to be highly regarded in that area. He also seems like a good program builder beyond recruiting, and based on a small sample size, seems to hire good coordinators (elite defense during his tenure). He also seems like he would be a good antidote for the disastrous program culture LSU has right now.
Not my first pick but it's silly to act like his name is coming out of nowhere and it's only because he's "one of us." If Riley or Aranda don't work out, I think he's a good option.
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:09 am to Fun Bunch
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Would Napier be mentioned at all here if he was the App State head coach?
Are you pretending his name hasn’t been mentioned, and he hasn’t been interviewed at multiple SEC and Big 12 schools? Or that he hasn’t reportedly turned a few of those opportunities down while waiting on the right opportunity… in effect betting on himself to continue his current success until that opportunity arises?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 9:11 am to Fun Bunch
“Mentioned” is a vey low bar. He’s already being mentioned as a strong candidate to replace Mullen at Florida, and probably was offered the Auburn job last year. He gets mentioned frequently for openings at other schools. Of course he’d be mentioned here
More people around here are familiar with him, so his name might get mentioned more than if he was 1,000 miles away.
However, it cuts both ways. A lot of people dismiss him simply because of their familiarity with ULL.
More people around here are familiar with him, so his name might get mentioned more than if he was 1,000 miles away.
However, it cuts both ways. A lot of people dismiss him simply because of their familiarity with ULL.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:03 am to skullhawk
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This has been proven wrong in coaching hires time and again
If you're good, you're good
It's never been proven wrong, as it's not meant to be the deciding factor. It's ONE factor that holds some weight.
Coaches don't work out often because they are not the right "fit" which often means culturally they never got traction in the area.
There is no proven method to hiring a coach. There are many factors that should be considered. Geography and knowledge of the area is one of many.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:09 am to Fun Bunch
Didn't realize that Napier only beat Nicholls by 3 points
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:13 am to El Magnifico
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Didn't realize that Napier only beat Nicholls by 3 points
Baylor beat Texas St 29-20 on opening day and ULL beat them 45-0.
What does it mean?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:33 am to Fun Bunch
Yes, and people who constantly act like he wouldn't are just proving that they don't keep up with the college football landscape. Billy Napier, Luke Fickell, and Matt Campbell are the 3 "rising stars" of the sport. There's been talk of both Fickell and Campbell being lifers like Bill Snyder or Gary Patterson. Even if you don't believe that (I don't personally), only Billy Napier has any ties to the Southeast and the other two have STRONG ties to the midwest. This is of course not even mentioning that Napier was one of the main people eating our shorts in north Louisiana under Saban.
I would imagine if you asked a random national college football media person who they thought LSU would/should hire the week before O was formally fired, they would have universally said Billy Napier. Aranda having a particularly good season has definitely raised his general stock, but it's not like this talk comes out of nowhere.
And to the people mentioning Chadwell, Chadwell was the cause of NCAA sanctions at Charleston Southern. Sankey does not allow SEC schools to hire people who caused NCAA sanctions at past gigs. Not to mention we really don't want to hire a coach that runs a gimmick offense.
I would imagine if you asked a random national college football media person who they thought LSU would/should hire the week before O was formally fired, they would have universally said Billy Napier. Aranda having a particularly good season has definitely raised his general stock, but it's not like this talk comes out of nowhere.
And to the people mentioning Chadwell, Chadwell was the cause of NCAA sanctions at Charleston Southern. Sankey does not allow SEC schools to hire people who caused NCAA sanctions at past gigs. Not to mention we really don't want to hire a coach that runs a gimmick offense.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:36 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:36 am to LesGeaux45
“He’s One Of Us” got us into trouble last time.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:40 am to Fun Bunch
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Would Napier be mentioned at all here if he was the App State head coach?
Any team outside of Louisiana and he'd barely garner a whisper on this board.
It is hilarious.
I don't think he's a bad coach, but he's so much more unproven than a guy like Campbell.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:41 am to Fun Bunch
I think 99% of LSU fans would consider Napier a terrible hire. He is a message board favorite and linked to a few other jobs, but in their mind he is Curly Hallman 2.0 and the coach of USL.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
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Chadwell gets brought up a little but pretty immediately dismissed.
But the Napier thing is really pervasive. And it’s solely because he’s a coach in La.
To be fair, Chadwell has never coached nor did he play at a school larger than Coastal Carolina. Making a jump to LSU with zero first hand experience of what the day to day of a major program is like is a huge risk in of itself.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Cultural fits and familiarity can be a factor in some situations, but it’s intertwined with other factors.
A G5 coach has to make a lot of adjustments when moving up to the P5 level. Matt Wells was said to be a bad cultural fit at Texas Tech, but it was recruiting in Texas and at the P5 level that was the main problem.
Did recruiting and establishing those relationships suffer because of a bad cultural fit, or did Wells struggle because he's simply a bad recruiter?
Jamey Chadwell is a very good coach, but he’s never been near a P5 program or recruited at that level. LSU is a step above the average P5 school. Expectations are to compete and recruit on a national level. That inexperience would worry me much more than being a bad cultural fit.
Likewise, I wouldn’t move Napier up my list because he’s a good cultural fit and knows the area. But I would factor in he’s spent years in high schools recruiting players from all over the region.
A G5 coach has to make a lot of adjustments when moving up to the P5 level. Matt Wells was said to be a bad cultural fit at Texas Tech, but it was recruiting in Texas and at the P5 level that was the main problem.
Did recruiting and establishing those relationships suffer because of a bad cultural fit, or did Wells struggle because he's simply a bad recruiter?
Jamey Chadwell is a very good coach, but he’s never been near a P5 program or recruited at that level. LSU is a step above the average P5 school. Expectations are to compete and recruit on a national level. That inexperience would worry me much more than being a bad cultural fit.
Likewise, I wouldn’t move Napier up my list because he’s a good cultural fit and knows the area. But I would factor in he’s spent years in high schools recruiting players from all over the region.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:59 am to Woodman
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“He’s One Of Us” got us into trouble last time.
this is so stupid, he isnt even one of us.
here are PFFs top 20 coaches from the summer headed into 2021 LINK
mentioned candidates in bold
1. saban
2. dabo
3. smart
4. riley
5. mullen
6. Fitzgerald
7. Matt Campbell
8. Whittingham
9. Leipold
10. Mack Brown
11. Jamey Chadwell
12. Brian Kelley
13. Jimbo Fisher
14. Mark Stoops
15. Luke Fickell
16. Tom Allen
17. Jeff Monken
18. James Franklin
19. Billy Napier
20. PJ Fleck
so lets filter it for possible candidates based on possibility. get rid of really old, those with terrible season and those that are not going to leave a current high profile p5 job.
so that eliminates
1. saban
2. dabo
3. smart
4. riley
6. Fitzgerald
8. Whittingham
9. Leipold
10. Mack Brown
12. Brian Kelley
13. Jimbo Fisher
15. Luke Fickell
16. Tom Allen
17. Jeff Monken
18. James Franklin
NR- Cristobal
so we are left with
7. Matt Campbell
11. Jamey Chadwell
19. Billy Napier
20. PJ Fleck
we can add aranda and tucker to that list.
Tucker- bad record before this year and sounds like the Cleveland Cavs owner is gonna pony up to keep him in east lansning.
Jamey Chadwell- expierence buidling programs and has done great job at Coastal but also has had NCAA issues in the past and never left the carolinas. Will more than likely be the coach of VT. Also run a unique offense that is very qb run heavy.
PJ Fleck- most have him ranked the lowest of any in this group and he has some issues but overall good coach.
Of those, most would have it
1) Aranda
then campbell and napier being about even
looks like Aranda is going home to USC. He also has concerns in recruiting just like campbell.
left choosing between campbell and napier IMO. Napier is better recruiter, better record on similar level and won the head to head. I would be happy with either though.
some are gonna say what about kiffin how could you have him ranked below those two
at similar program level as Kiffin was at FAU, both Campbell and Napier were better and much more consistent.
many are going to say yea well kiffin has done it at P5.....but has he? Name a time he put together back to back good seasons at any place?
Raiders- bad
USC- bad, great, bad, bad-fired
FAU- great, losing season, great
OM- bad, great,....TBD (but do we think he suddenly bucks the trend after losing his QB?) hell no
so again that is why most like napier.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:03 am to CatfishJohn
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Any team outside of Louisiana and he'd barely garner a whisper on this board.
It is hilarious.
is that why he is #1 on Floridas board?
dumbass
again yall want to just throw out the LSU CANT HIRE A COACH FROM ULL!!! BS.
most dont want him over Riley or Jimbo...frick. but we arent getting those guys. look at my list above.
hell i would have aranda ahead of him, but he is prolly going USC.
would i have campbell above him....prolly not. Campbell has more expierence but on a similar level between him, campbell and kiffin....Napier has been the best.
Napier has the recruiting knowledge at big time programs too. Campbell doesnt.
would rather Kiffin rather than campbell to be honest.
i would take huge freeze over all them after riley and jimbo, but that shite isnt happening lol.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 1:30 pm to Woodman
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“He’s One Of Us” got us into trouble last time.
The man is from Tennessee
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