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re: Why does coach O have such a high salary and buy out?

Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39564 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:40 pm to
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a terrible look to pay all these coaches to go away the same year you reduced staff, put in a hiring freeze until 2023, asked staff to take 5% pay cut, and went begging to the boosters for more money, because of the Covid shortfall in revenue.


Fulfilling a high profile contractual obligation is hardly a terrible look despite the other circumstances.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
51607 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:54 pm to
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He is was and always has been low character.

Allow me to share a personal story about Coach O to rebuke that claim.

Now, as a fan, I despise Coach O because of his performance over the past two years. I think the lack of production from the team the last two seasons is unacceptable and I believe it’s become quite clear that 2019 was almost exclusively the result of a flash in the pan.

However, I used to work at LSU and would routinely be required to work the recruiting events at home games. This was during Les Miles’ tenure. Before each home game, all the coaches with the exception of the head coach would work the Lawton Room with all the recruits, getting to know them and their families, eating dinner together, and just general small talk/recruiting talk.

Every coach who walked into that room ignored me and the other employees and made a b line directly to the recruits (and understandably so). Coach O, ont he other hand, would walk into the room and shake every single person’s hand, including little ole insignificant me. Every single time. Always a big smile, firm handshake, a quick “how ya doin” and his signature “geaux tigahs” before going on to the next person.

Coach O has become quite a douche personally off the field lately BUT to say he’s always been a man of low character is simply not true.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
17755 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 3:54 pm to
He deserved the salary after winning the national championship. The buyout is a different story. O would have signed that contract even with a minimal buyout. What else was he going to do?
Posted by SeanLSU
Member since May 2019
1759 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 5:28 pm to
The contract reflected his accomplishments. We got him super cheap originally, which was smart and reflected his accomplishments up to that point. Then he went and won a national title in dominating fashion, and his contract was updated to reflect those accomplishments. It's pretty standard contract language for coaches to get big bumps for the kind of stuff Orgeron did in 2019. He earned that, and I don't fault him for getting paid at that point. Sucks now, though, for sure.
Posted by joe2679
Member since Nov 2015
626 posts
Posted on 10/20/21 at 5:47 pm to
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Costing us big now.


Not costing us a dime
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
Broussard, La
Member since Oct 2007
11435 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:05 pm to
He is a Con Man... Those people are like politicians, they make everyone in the room feel good about things. I bet Nick Saban or Kirby Smart don't work a room when they step in it. Because..... they don't have to. They really on their product to speak for them.

Zero is #1- A well below average coach. He proved that at Ole Miss and LSU. #2- A con man. He talked Aleva into firing Miles because the team was under performing by winning 9/10 games a year. He also conned his way into polluting the coach selection Thanksgiving of 2016. I really believe he spilled the story to ESPN to move Texas to getting Herman before we could nail it down.

I am glad we had 2019. It was a magical season. I am afraid Zero has wrecked this team so badly it will be 3 years before we are contenders again.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29862 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:06 pm to
Joe burrow.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28436 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:06 pm to
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Why does coach O have such a high salary and buy out?


He doesn’t really

It was a 6yr contract at 6mil per year and a 70% buyout. Coming off a national title. And basically a front-loaded $5mil “national title gift” life insurance bonus in the first 2 years

Totally reasonable contract, actually below standard market

Sucks that he imploded after only 2 years of the new contract, but nonetheless there was nothing wrong with that contract.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted by yimbeaux
Texas
Member since Nov 2014
1927 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:09 pm to
because you don't want to be known as the school who doesn't pay their guy after they win a natty
Posted by 33inNC
Charlotte, NC
Member since Mar 2011
6382 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:15 pm to
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Were we supposed to tell him to go frick himself after the natty?


No, but you don't make him the 2nd or 3rd highest paid coach in the game! Literally no one was going to swoop in and hire him from you.

He should have been given a raise, but not the level of one he got considering the "CEO" arrangement. He knew he was dependent on his assistants, so pay him a little less and guarantee him top dollar for assistants.
Posted by BlackHelicopterPilot
Top secret lab
Member since Feb 2004
52841 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:19 pm to
I saw the list posted soon after this board opened. I do not know if it was correct:

Saban
O
Dabo


In that order were the highest paid. That ALSO is literally the order of the last three NC winning coaches. Most coaches have some sort of escalator after winning a NC. I do not think the orders are coincidental
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28436 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:21 pm to
$6m per year is nowhere close to 2nd or 3rd highest paid in CFB

Don’t use USA Today, that includes the life insurance policy for his first 2 years of contract, that is done anyway
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116454 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:21 pm to
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You think it doesn't affect the program if the boosters run out of money?


call me when this happens
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36536 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:21 pm to
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I don't like when people say "why do you care, it's not your money." It affects the team and the program.


So if a booster steps up and says "here's $20 million to make O go away," you think that same guy is likely to say "here's $20 million to just spend however you want on the athletic program."

No, that's not how it works.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116454 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:28 pm to
It’s funny to me that so many on this board think that LSU makes these decisions and then just sends a bill to the boosters to take care of

The contract O signed was approved by the boosters

The decision to fire O, in reality, was made by those boosters. They were well aware of the buyout when they signed it and they were well aware of the buyout when they agreed to pay it to get O out

There’s no point where the boosters can’t claim some level of responsibility or involvement in these processes. It’s pretty much the main benefit of being that large of a donor to the program
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37395 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:31 pm to
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Zero is #1- A well below average coach. He proved that at Ole Miss and LSU. #2- A con man. He talked Aleva into firing Miles because the team was under performing by winning 9/10 games a year. He also conned his way into polluting the coach selection Thanksgiving of 2016. I really believe he spilled the story to ESPN to move Texas to getting Herman before we could nail it down.
What completely made up bs! Miles was on his way out the door before Orgeron started working at LSU. Sorry if you think Alleva needed to be talked into firing Miles, but that isn't close to true. As it was Miles stayed on for an extra year because he pulled some political strings.

And Herman was a bullet we dodged and Alleva was smart to tell him to F Off when he kept trying to renegotiate deals he had agreed to.
Posted by JPLSU1981
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
28436 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:50 pm to
Alleva wasn’t savvy enough to navigate all parties and the politics and everything and get everyone on board and get the deal(s) done…he flirted with and failed in taking out Miles, failed with Jimbo, then failed again with Herman.

Everyone knows Alleva wanted Miles out well before 2016, but he didn’t have the skills and relationships to get it done and get everyone aligned and on board the train.

For whatever reasons, he failed at the most critical times an AD is supposed to navigate uncertain waters and quietly get everyone aligned and get the job done.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
37395 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:19 pm to
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Alleva wasn’t savvy enough to navigate all parties and the politics and everything and get everyone on board and get the deal(s) done…he flirted with and failed in taking out Miles, failed with Jimbo, then failed again with Herman.

Everyone knows Alleva wanted Miles out well before 2016, but he didn’t have the skills and relationships to get it done and get everyone aligned and on board the train.

For whatever reasons, he failed at the most critical times an AD is supposed to navigate uncertain waters and quietly get everyone aligned and get the job done.
Which all prove the point that Orgeron had nothing to do with firing Les or supposedly sabotaging negotiations with Hermsn.
Posted by 24nights
North of I10
Member since Apr 2012
5351 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:01 pm to
Those shrimp ain't gonna catch themselves baw.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
36330 posts
Posted on 10/25/21 at 4:38 pm to
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Irrational exuberance and myopia in the wake of 2019.


No, myopia would be going back to being Joe Dean cheap and fricking up the future of the program in the process. If we had haggled over a raise with a title-winning coach and not added some buyout as security after an undefeated season like that, then it would absolutely be a big issue working against us right now. Our top candidates would be wondering if they would get the shaft down the line, as well. These are absolutely the kinds of things agents look hard at when advising their clients on jobs to consider. The last thing we need is out top candidate being told, “look at how they treated O after 2019” when it’s down to us and another top P5 program or their current employer. That’s a losing hand.

Thankfully, Woody is smart enough to look at the long term stupidity of such short-sighted thinking. Your viewpoint would have us back to choosing between candidates like DiNardo and O.

Instead, everyone who considers this opening and their agent will know that they will not only be paid well up front, but also if they win SEC or National Titles. This is the game. You either play it, or become irrelevant.
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