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Who would be a better recruiter, O, Jimbo or Herman?
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:46 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:46 am
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Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:47 am to GumboPot
Jimbo. He's consistently brought in top 5 classes at FSU.
The debate between O and Jimbo should not revolve around recruiting.
The debate between O and Jimbo should not revolve around recruiting.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:48 am to GumboPot
I think all 3 would do well. It's LSU
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:48 am to GumboPot
Herman got a 5 star dlineman to go to Houston.....
Houston!
Houston!
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:49 am to GumboPot
Jimbo. Hands down
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:51 am to bass
To be fair he had a lot of ties and people in his corner working for Houston to pull in Ed Oliver. I think he had a brother playing at Houston and his former HS coach on staff there
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:52 am to ibleedprplngld
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The debate between O and Jimbo should not revolve around recruiting.
It's more than half the equation IMO. Recruiting is not only very important to the program it's vital.
Average success in recruiting means locking down your state. Great success means stealing top players from other states AND locking down your state.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 10:53 am to GumboPot
Jimbo has proven to be an elite recruiter as a HC. O has only proven to be an elite recruiter as an asst. (He was not that great at OM)
There is a difference. Herman should be great, but is kinda unknown.
There is a difference. Herman should be great, but is kinda unknown.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:00 am to GumboPot
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It's more than half the equation IMO. Recruiting is not only very important to the program it's vital.
If you have to give an edge to one coach or the other it's going to be Jimbo. Recruiting a top 5 class year in and year out as the HMF (head mother fricker for the elders) is a hell of a lot different than being a good coordinator on the staff. Sure, O may be able to walk into momma's kitchen and convince her son to come play for LSU, but Fisher can walk into momma's kitchen and convince her son to come play for HIM.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:01 am to GumboPot
all 3 would slay
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:02 am to ibleedprplngld
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Sure, O may be able to walk into momma's kitchen and convince her son to come play for LSU, but Fisher can walk into momma's kitchen and convince her son to come play for HIM.
Sounds like Nick Saban recruiting.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:02 am to GumboPot
all 3 would do well at LSU but Jimbo has FL and LA ties and has consistently landed top 5-10 classes, so it has to go to him IMO.
Although O is obviously a recruiting monster.
Although O is obviously a recruiting monster.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:04 am to GumboPot
Jimbo is more likely to get a top QB. Other than that, I think it's a wash as long as both Jimbo and O are winning games.
I have no idea about Herman.
I have no idea about Herman.
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:04 am to ibleedprplngld
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Jimbo. He's consistently brought in top 5 classes at FSU.
The debate between O and Jimbo should not revolve around recruiting.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:07 am to GumboPot
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Sounds like Nick Saban recruiting.
It's part of being a successful head coach. It's why all these yahoos who think O has to be the HC because of recruiting are so wrong. It's not the same. What resume does O have as a HC recruiting? What players has he put in the NFL? Michael Oher is only one i can think of off the top of my head, and he didn't even coach him all 4 years. Fisher has his entire starting offense in the NFL from his national title team. HIS ENTIRE frickING OFFENSE! Let that sink in for a minute.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:22 am to ibleedprplngld
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Jimbo. He's consistently brought in top 5 classes at FSU.
as did Bowden
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:24 am to GumboPot
Jimbo could probably do better with the QB/WR/RBs
Orgeron with DL/OL/LB
Herman - not enough time to know for sure but he seems to do well enough at Houston
Orgeron with DL/OL/LB
Herman - not enough time to know for sure but he seems to do well enough at Houston
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:40 am to GumboPot
Great recruiting isn't the problem LSU has had, finding ways to use the 4 and 5 star guys has been the issue. We need a coach that can be creative and use the athletes properly
ETA all 3 guys will continue to bring in too talent ah LSU
ETA all 3 guys will continue to bring in too talent ah LSU
This post was edited on 11/17/16 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:46 am to cas4t
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Although O is obviously a recruiting monster.
I think everyone agrees that O is a great recruiter, but there is a lot that goes into great classes. Winning games, what type of offense and defense you run, etc.
I've done this before, but here are OM rankings before and after O.
Cutcliffe
2001 - 23
2002 - 23
2003 - 34
2004 - 31
Avg - 27.8
Coach O
2005 - 30
2006 - 17
2007 - 19
Avg - 22
Nutt
2008 - 29
2009 - 19
2010 - 23
2011 - 20
Avg - 22.75
Freeze
2013 - 8
2014 - 15
2015 - 17
2016 - 5
Avg - 11.25
So O recruited a little better than cutcliffe, on par with Nutt, and way worse than Freeze.
Posted on 11/17/16 at 11:48 am to SportTiger1
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So O recruited a little better than cutcliffe, on par with Nutt, and way worse than Freeze.
You have to consider O was recruiting to a loser and Freeze was recruiting to a winner. I am surprised its not more lopsided considering the talent Freeze has recruited
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