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re: Where does LSU rank as a coaching destination?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:00 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:00 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
There is nothing that LSU has over Ohio State by any metric and putting it higher as a destination job is highly amusing
We pay more
As of last year
LSU- 5.4 million
OSU- 4 million
That metric good enough for you?
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Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:00 pm to VABuckeye
You are wrong! Lol! But, thanks for hanging out on an LSU fan board for years after we beat you in the National Championship game. The only thing that gives Ohio State the edge over LSU is easier conference/historical perception. Urban Meyer escaped to the easier conference because the SEC almost killed him. LOL! These young gun coaches want the SEC bad.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:02 pm to llfshoals
see USC is an interesting case vs the others as they are the only school out west in the elite jobs.
They aren't going to target the coaches that bama would seriously target. If we go back to 07 and USC and Bama have a job opening I don't see Saban taking the USC job.
You don't often see LSU and Bama going out west after cali kids. USC mostly stays out of the south east side of the country.
They aren't going to target the coaches that bama would seriously target. If we go back to 07 and USC and Bama have a job opening I don't see Saban taking the USC job.
You don't often see LSU and Bama going out west after cali kids. USC mostly stays out of the south east side of the country.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:04 pm to dpd901
quote:Yea, they have coaches beating down their door. Who's their coach again?
2) USC
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:06 pm to heartbreakTiger
I can work with that. I can agree LSU and FSU are probably close enough to the top 6 than 9th to expand the top tier to 8.
I think LSU has already passed the Vols all time, if the Huskers don't turn it around soon in think they'll go the way of Minnesota. Who once upon a time was an elite program too.
I think LSU has already passed the Vols all time, if the Huskers don't turn it around soon in think they'll go the way of Minnesota. Who once upon a time was an elite program too.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:07 pm to dpd901
Current openings??? #1... no doubt!
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:10 pm to heartbreakTiger
quote:It was the only job I thought seriously he might leave us for.
f we go back to 07 and USC and Bama have a job opening I don't see Saban taking the USC
Despite how he downplays it, I suspect he likes the spotlight more than he lets on.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:12 pm to Me Bite
LSU is a top 5-7 coaching gig in the country. You can always debate on exact order, and that shouldn't even matter. Facilities, resources, recruiting, atmosphere, salary are all outstanding.
What is subpar, at times, is the itrational and often ridiculous fan base.
Thank the Lord the next HC will never read some of the posts in here.
What is subpar, at times, is the itrational and often ridiculous fan base.
Thank the Lord the next HC will never read some of the posts in here.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:13 pm to dpd901
10-12
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:14 pm to More beer please
quote:
We pay more
As of last year
LSU- 5.4 million
OSU- 4 million
That metric good enough for you?
If you think that's the only metric of what a coach earns I don't know what to tell you. Ohio State has the largest contract with Nike of any team in the nation. You understand that Urban Meyer gets a slice of that, right?
Comparing LSU to Ohio State in terms of a destination is delusional. Recent history shows the two programs aren't on the same level.
BTW, this is the Coaching Changes Board, not the Tiger Rant and we're all free to post here.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:15 pm to More beer please
My ranking... Taking into consideration every factor that many have previously mentioned, coupled with a modern day assesment, which manditorily has to be accounted for because we live in the now (past glory means less to little, the further removed from it, i.e. Nebraska, Notre Dame, Miami, Pitt, SMU, etc.), here's how I see it:
1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. USC
4. Michigan
5. Florida
6ab. Alabama/LSU
7. Florida State
8. Notre Dame
9. Oregon
10. Oklahoma
11ab.Georgia/Miami
13.Texas A&M
14.Clemson
15.Michigan State
Rational. One could argue the teams ahead of LSU are there primarily on the grounds that theyve had a few more championships and sustained success over the past 40 years, for instance tOSU and Michigan. USC is in there for the same reason to go along with the enhanced profile of being a "star" power team when winning. Texas is #1, but I dont really know why, lol, other than money, a few more championships and probably a misconceived perception due to it seeming to be a general consesus that has been ingrained.
Additionally, i give Florida the edge only because of the championships in the 90's and Tebow years, and current perception.
However, if LSU had say 2 or 3 more championships in their history, I feel LSU could easily be #1 if not top 3 currently.
With that, the top 8 schools, and maybe Oklahoma, could easily say they are a Top 5 destination for the best coaches and most sought after.
LSU has more than everything it needs and then some. Any coach not at one of the Top 8 schools on this list, would have to give LSU serious consideration and probably would accept.
Just look at us almost landing, and may still, Jimbo. Hes at a Top 10 school, coming off a recent championship, fertile recruiting grounds, and less annual competition to get to playoffs/championships and was heavily considering coming to LSU. Now many would point out his prior stint here as being a overriding factor, but i disagree to an extent.
LSU has everything u want as a coach to succeed, but we have the added attraction of being in the premier conference in college football. Great coaches, just like great players, want that challenge at some point to compete against the best. No other conference offers that challenge on an annual basis. Pac 12 and Big Ten dont have it, despite what anyone thinks. 2 teams for the most part in their respective conferences that will win the conference, more times than not.
LSU is an elite program as much as anybody else, all we need is an elite coach and LSU could easily forge a dynasty just like any other. Im not worried about not getting exactly who we want, save for the Jimbo angle but he may not want the pressure of having to meet delusional expectations again, whereas, hes done it a premier school in Florida State and will be given more deference during his inevitable "struggle" years than with us.
8 out of 10 times, we will get who we want exactly. Lets stop acting like these good/hot coaches would not give LSU the respect of being a premier school. Top 5 school, bar none. Other than being an NFL head coach or on this Top 8 list, more than likely, if offered, u jump at the chance to coach the Purple and Gold. Some of our fans are retarded to think otherwise.
1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. USC
4. Michigan
5. Florida
6ab. Alabama/LSU
7. Florida State
8. Notre Dame
9. Oregon
10. Oklahoma
11ab.Georgia/Miami
13.Texas A&M
14.Clemson
15.Michigan State
Rational. One could argue the teams ahead of LSU are there primarily on the grounds that theyve had a few more championships and sustained success over the past 40 years, for instance tOSU and Michigan. USC is in there for the same reason to go along with the enhanced profile of being a "star" power team when winning. Texas is #1, but I dont really know why, lol, other than money, a few more championships and probably a misconceived perception due to it seeming to be a general consesus that has been ingrained.
Additionally, i give Florida the edge only because of the championships in the 90's and Tebow years, and current perception.
However, if LSU had say 2 or 3 more championships in their history, I feel LSU could easily be #1 if not top 3 currently.
With that, the top 8 schools, and maybe Oklahoma, could easily say they are a Top 5 destination for the best coaches and most sought after.
LSU has more than everything it needs and then some. Any coach not at one of the Top 8 schools on this list, would have to give LSU serious consideration and probably would accept.
Just look at us almost landing, and may still, Jimbo. Hes at a Top 10 school, coming off a recent championship, fertile recruiting grounds, and less annual competition to get to playoffs/championships and was heavily considering coming to LSU. Now many would point out his prior stint here as being a overriding factor, but i disagree to an extent.
LSU has everything u want as a coach to succeed, but we have the added attraction of being in the premier conference in college football. Great coaches, just like great players, want that challenge at some point to compete against the best. No other conference offers that challenge on an annual basis. Pac 12 and Big Ten dont have it, despite what anyone thinks. 2 teams for the most part in their respective conferences that will win the conference, more times than not.
LSU is an elite program as much as anybody else, all we need is an elite coach and LSU could easily forge a dynasty just like any other. Im not worried about not getting exactly who we want, save for the Jimbo angle but he may not want the pressure of having to meet delusional expectations again, whereas, hes done it a premier school in Florida State and will be given more deference during his inevitable "struggle" years than with us.
8 out of 10 times, we will get who we want exactly. Lets stop acting like these good/hot coaches would not give LSU the respect of being a premier school. Top 5 school, bar none. Other than being an NFL head coach or on this Top 8 list, more than likely, if offered, u jump at the chance to coach the Purple and Gold. Some of our fans are retarded to think otherwise.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:17 pm to llfshoals
I honestly don't think he would leave Bama for USC, or even choose USC over Bama if we go back in time.
Now he would win but for the most part USC doesn't go after what Bama does.
Now he would win but for the most part USC doesn't go after what Bama does.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:19 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
If you think that's the only metric of what a coach earns I don't know what to tell you. Ohio State has the largest contract with Nike of any team in the nation. You understand that Urban Meyer gets a slice of that, right?
Dont try to wiggle out of this. You said ANY metric. I gave you one that is definitive. And if you actually read it, Head Coaches werent included. So Urban has nothing to do with that.
quote:
Comparing LSU to Ohio State in terms of a destination is delusional.
Acting like OSU is head and shoulders above LSU in terms of HC job is just as delusional.
quote:
BTW, this is the Coaching Changes Board, not the Tiger Rant and we're all free to post here.
Ok? Did I say otherwise?
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:21 pm to TLit
quote:name a program in the elite list that isn't irrational?
What is subpar, at times, is the itrational and often ridiculous fan base.
USC might be, but that is because they care less. Texas, Bama, LSU, TOSU, Michigan, UF, FSU all expect to win.
Texas fans wanted charlie fired last year. Bama fans ran off stallings, put a brick through a coaches window, poison shite when they lose to auburn, and other things. TOSU has ran coaches off for losing to michigan, Michigan has ran coaches off for losing to TOSU.
saying that LSU fans are some how a negative is stupid. Every big team has fans that expect elite results.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:23 pm to More beer please
quote:
Ok? Did I say otherwise?
Nah, that was someone else. Apologies.
And honestly, look at this thread. 90% of the people on an LSU board rank Ohio State higher and if it was a national poll the number most likely goes even higher. I know you're a fan of LSU but be realistic. One program is a Blue Blood and the other isn't. However, it's certainly a destination job. It just isn't on quite the level of several other programs.
Again, good luck in the search for a new coach.
EDIT: I read your link about assistant coaches pay. Honestly, I'd say LSU is overpaying for the results they get on the field.
This post was edited on 9/26/16 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:26 pm to VABuckeye
Hey Im not arguing that it isnt. But there are definitely aspects of LSU which are above OSU currently. Asst. pay is clear. Id argue the recruiting area is better here. There is more competition, but La and Texas easily beat out the Midwest.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:26 pm to dpd901
Top 5 for sure
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:29 pm to VABuckeye
blue blood stuff is silly since ND, Tenn and Nebraska is often considered in it. They are former blue bloods.
so if you take anyone of those and put them into their new proper place LSU is top 8 which would be considered blue blood.
blue blood vs top coaching destination is different. I think tiers work the best and the best metric for those tiers starts with recruiting ground, moves to pay and then resources as the top 3.
from that its hard to pick out the best recruiting, LA and AL hold their own per capita as far as recruiting. They also do a pretty good job of cutting off other programs from top picks in the state. Ohio, FL, Cali, Tx have volume.
Then you go from instate recruiting to a radius that most places use and its still pretty tough to separate who has the best.
money, everyone in the elite is willing to throw down. It just comes down to who feels like winning a bidding war and who is going to over pay for someone or hit it right on the money.
resources, all of the schools I've listed are almost impossible to pull apart in that category.
I also think it comes down to where a coach is from as far as which elite teams have the best chance of landing him. Herman seems unique because he is top interest nation wide. I don't think Jimbo would be 1b for a usc or tosu list.
plus the whole thing isn't about where LSU currently ranks its how do we rank vs those that are looking.
so if you take anyone of those and put them into their new proper place LSU is top 8 which would be considered blue blood.
blue blood vs top coaching destination is different. I think tiers work the best and the best metric for those tiers starts with recruiting ground, moves to pay and then resources as the top 3.
from that its hard to pick out the best recruiting, LA and AL hold their own per capita as far as recruiting. They also do a pretty good job of cutting off other programs from top picks in the state. Ohio, FL, Cali, Tx have volume.
Then you go from instate recruiting to a radius that most places use and its still pretty tough to separate who has the best.
money, everyone in the elite is willing to throw down. It just comes down to who feels like winning a bidding war and who is going to over pay for someone or hit it right on the money.
resources, all of the schools I've listed are almost impossible to pull apart in that category.
I also think it comes down to where a coach is from as far as which elite teams have the best chance of landing him. Herman seems unique because he is top interest nation wide. I don't think Jimbo would be 1b for a usc or tosu list.
plus the whole thing isn't about where LSU currently ranks its how do we rank vs those that are looking.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:30 pm to VABuckeye
I didn't say you weren't welcome here. But calling yourself a Blue Blood and talking shite to a team that beat you the last time we met is pretty classless. If Ohio State and that dump of a stadium is a Blue Blood, I want no part of that.
Posted on 9/26/16 at 12:31 pm to llfshoals
quote:
if the Huskers don't turn it around soon in think they'll go the way of Minnesota. Who once upon a time was an elite program too.
Oklahoma will follow that path after Stoops leaves.
Not easy to recruit kids to go to Lincoln or Norman if they aren't winning.
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