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re: What type of defense does Kris Richards run?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
1-3-1 half court trap and some matchup zone. He will jump into man after a turnover and presses the make.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:50 am to saturncube21
No longer excited for Richard after reading this thread. LSU finally has the right pieces for a 3-4 and overhauling it now would be a disaster.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:54 am to ipodking
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LSU finally has the right pieces for a 3-4 and overhauling it now would be a disaster.
stop being dramatic, especially since we play so many 4-man fronts due to modern CFB
we can easily adapt from a 3-4 base to a 4-3 base or even a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
With the lack of experience and depth in the middle next season and Stevens being able to play multiple roles, I imagine we’ll see a lot of 3-3-5 and 4-2-5 anyway.
I’m not opposed to switching to a mostly zone scheme, but the thing I don’t like about Richards is he’s never coached in a man scheme. With Carroll he was Cover 3 and Marinelli he was Tampa 2. I don’t have faith that if his scheme is failing like it was for Pelini, and Aranda earlier this year, that he’ll be able to adjust to mostly man coverage to right the ship.
ETA - That’s what was great about Aranda. He was ok with tinkering, trying new things, and abandoning if it didn’t work. A lot of coordinators either won’t do that or don’t have the knowledge or balls to try evolving.
I’m not opposed to switching to a mostly zone scheme, but the thing I don’t like about Richards is he’s never coached in a man scheme. With Carroll he was Cover 3 and Marinelli he was Tampa 2. I don’t have faith that if his scheme is failing like it was for Pelini, and Aranda earlier this year, that he’ll be able to adjust to mostly man coverage to right the ship.
ETA - That’s what was great about Aranda. He was ok with tinkering, trying new things, and abandoning if it didn’t work. A lot of coordinators either won’t do that or don’t have the knowledge or balls to try evolving.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:15 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
I think pass rushing is out issue period and 3/4 or 4/3 won't fix it.
I loved our blitz packages this year though.
I loved our blitz packages this year though.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:16 am to SlowFlowPro
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even a 3-3-5 or 4-2-5.
We ran a lot of both of these this year so that would be pretty simple to adapt.
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we can easily adapt from a 3-4 base to a 4-3 base
I think this will be a little more difficult. Most of our D-Ends are more built for a 3 or 4 tech rather than a true end. The stand up OLB's can slide down but they're a little smaller. It can work because in this day and age I don't see us playing a ton of base. We also will have a ton of depth.
I can see whoever comes in as playing a "base" 4-2-5 with stevens as that 3rd linebacker/5th DB.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:27 am to Not Cooper
What people are refusing to accept is that Richards played in a Cover 3 scheme, coached in a Cover 3 scheme most of his coaching career, and got a little experience the last 2 seasons in Cover 2/Tampa 2 in Dallas.
He has never really been involved with serious man coverage schemes and that has been the life blood of LSU's defenses for the past 2 decades.
As others have said, we failed miserably in Zone every time we tried it. It was nearly a guaranteed failure if it was done against any team with a quick passing game.
People falling over themselves for Richards are extremely naive about the talent LSU usually brings in and in some cases how football is played.
Zone coverage requires a lot of communication from the LBers and DBs and pressure, and is susceptible to teams that prevent pressure from the pass rush. In the end, I think hiring Richards would be a horrible mistake at this time given the type of players LSU has.
Carroll succeeds with this defense because he brought in players both at USC and in Seattle that fit his scheme needs. He's the anti-Miles in that regard.
He has never really been involved with serious man coverage schemes and that has been the life blood of LSU's defenses for the past 2 decades.
As others have said, we failed miserably in Zone every time we tried it. It was nearly a guaranteed failure if it was done against any team with a quick passing game.
People falling over themselves for Richards are extremely naive about the talent LSU usually brings in and in some cases how football is played.
Zone coverage requires a lot of communication from the LBers and DBs and pressure, and is susceptible to teams that prevent pressure from the pass rush. In the end, I think hiring Richards would be a horrible mistake at this time given the type of players LSU has.
Carroll succeeds with this defense because he brought in players both at USC and in Seattle that fit his scheme needs. He's the anti-Miles in that regard.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:28 am to Not Cooper
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I can see whoever comes in as playing a "base" 4-2-5 with stevens as that 3rd linebacker/5th DB.
yeah with modern CFB, how often do we not see 3 WR packages?
and yeah with Stevens we kind of morphed into a 4-2-5 scheme with Stevens playing that rover-type spot. I imagine Lee is next up for that role
i'm curious of Stevens bulks up and just plays straight up LB next year. that was always his ideal spot to me after seeing his recruiting videos
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:14 pm to GarTiger
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A guy with his pedigree is not going to be locked into one scheme. You don't coordinate at the NFL level and be a one-trick pony!
They play 1 high safety literally the entire game
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:19 pm to saturncube21
My bro in law is a coach. I just asked him this question. His response:
“He’s a Pete Carroll guy. Runs the same scheme. Scheme requires elite talent a ton of front four pressure. mostly cover 3. Need a versatile SS (like LSU has with Stephens). LSU ran a lot of man with Aranda so I could see why they’d be nervous about going to a scheme that bases out of C3. Some NFL people will tell you that the NFL has the scheme figured out, but I think it’s more a result of the teams that run it, no longer having the same talent. “
“He’s a Pete Carroll guy. Runs the same scheme. Scheme requires elite talent a ton of front four pressure. mostly cover 3. Need a versatile SS (like LSU has with Stephens). LSU ran a lot of man with Aranda so I could see why they’d be nervous about going to a scheme that bases out of C3. Some NFL people will tell you that the NFL has the scheme figured out, but I think it’s more a result of the teams that run it, no longer having the same talent. “
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:37 pm to LuckyTiger
From a front 7 standpoint the 4-3 Over would mesh pretty well with our personnel.
Still requires a NG to play 2 gap, a pass rushing DT playing 1 gap, a larger 5 Tech DE playing 2 gap and then a “LEO” DE who is our edge rusher. Basically our BOLB with a hand in the ground.
The Seahawks go into zone a lot, but you can run Cover 1 with just a deep safety and man.
I don’t love going to a full cover 3 zone with the talent we have at CB.
Still requires a NG to play 2 gap, a pass rushing DT playing 1 gap, a larger 5 Tech DE playing 2 gap and then a “LEO” DE who is our edge rusher. Basically our BOLB with a hand in the ground.
The Seahawks go into zone a lot, but you can run Cover 1 with just a deep safety and man.
I don’t love going to a full cover 3 zone with the talent we have at CB.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i don't dislike him, but it's going to be a complete overhaul to our defense that i don't know if it's possible
i made a thread this year about how we, historically, suck at zone. it's why Steele was terrible here and great at AU. Aranda's heavy zone tinkering in the middle of this year was a disaster. Bo P had to learn that lesson, too.
We were also terrible at passing the ball especially over the middle.
If we are evolving, you should choose the scheme you think is best long term despite expected short term struggles.
Around here we don’t like zone because we aren’t good at it. If we become good at it, it opens a lot of options to apply pressure.
Frankly, I will be happy with anyone who comes in with a scheme that he is convicted about and had a definite plan to implement.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:03 pm to moneyg
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We were also terrible at passing the ball especially over the middle.
that was a matter of will/desire. it's not that we couldn't. we just....didn't
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Around here we don’t like zone because we aren’t good at it.
i don't mind zone but typically it's inferior to man and limits your pressure abilities
even the biggest zone disciple post-Dungy (Bill B) runs primarily man-based schemes these days
Posted on 1/20/20 at 2:21 pm to Magician2
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I loved our blitz packages this year though.
It was incredible to watch especially in the last 4-5 games. Also Stevens along the line was a beast.
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