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re: Riley and Negotiating in Bad Faith
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:51 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:51 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
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I’d lean more towards Riley leaving because of the depth of the negotiation to this point and LSU meeting every demand.
I think if we've met every demand and he's only leaning towards LSU, then OU has the advantage.
LSU is on a shorter timeline here. OU will wait until the last minute to put forth its best offer. OU has time because they have the coach already and presumably just have to match.
They will hope LSU blinks and moves on to avoid missing out on #2. If LSU bails then they get Riley at their lower number. If LSU sticks it out then OU matches and keeps Riley.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 10:52 pm
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Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:53 pm to Goldrush25
OU was always going to have the advantage. He wasn’t unhappy. He’s been successful. He has a stud freshman QB.
We are trying to pull off the upset here.
We are trying to pull off the upset here.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:56 pm to Ocardowin
See.. I like you Ocardowin.. you’re a thinking man
That’s a logical assessment.
LSU was going to have to go over the top in order create the upset.
That’s a logical assessment.
LSU was going to have to go over the top in order create the upset.
This post was edited on 11/17/21 at 11:01 pm
Posted on 11/17/21 at 10:59 pm to Ocardowin
This.
Also, thinking that the coaching hire is a failure because we don't the get top 1 or 2 guys on our list is shortsighted as well. If you're LSU and you're on the top of the mountain (in terms of jobs, we are) you can't really go any higher, and trying to pull coaches for a lateral move is extremely difficult. They're the top coaches because they're winning. If we have to go to tier 2, so be it. I'm down with Napier. Winner, already has contacts in LA, and we won with Miles and Orgeron, LSU has been a kingmaker
Also, thinking that the coaching hire is a failure because we don't the get top 1 or 2 guys on our list is shortsighted as well. If you're LSU and you're on the top of the mountain (in terms of jobs, we are) you can't really go any higher, and trying to pull coaches for a lateral move is extremely difficult. They're the top coaches because they're winning. If we have to go to tier 2, so be it. I'm down with Napier. Winner, already has contacts in LA, and we won with Miles and Orgeron, LSU has been a kingmaker
Posted on 11/17/21 at 11:02 pm to IowaCityTigerFan
How do you know how deep the hypothetical negotiations are going? All we know is that there are few posters who appear to know legit info saying Riley is on the hook. We know how all this goes, all that could be a smokescreen for something else.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 11:03 pm to TigerGuru1971
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Riley is not coming! Be ready for Billy Napier
That's the beauty of this search. Even Napier is a good coach and can have a lot of success at LSU. It would be really difficult for Woodward to mess this up.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 11:08 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Now that certain info has leaked, we are beyond “smokescreens.” We are in the end game now.
For me it’s not about the leaked money, I’ve read a few of the demands from the insiders on both sides.
If Riley and LSU got the point where they are talking about anything outside of pure salary dollars and cents, then the discussions are fairly advanced.
For me it’s not about the leaked money, I’ve read a few of the demands from the insiders on both sides.
If Riley and LSU got the point where they are talking about anything outside of pure salary dollars and cents, then the discussions are fairly advanced.
Posted on 11/17/21 at 11:19 pm to TigerGuru1971
And if that happened Woodward needs to step down or be fired
Posted on 11/18/21 at 5:22 am to TigerLunatik
IF Napier is the floor of this coaching search then LSU will be in good hands. Riley or not. There are a fair amount of coaches I’d want to tell Woodward no before going Napier. BUT if for whatever reason it is Napier at the end of this, LSU still hires a solid coach with plenty upside
Posted on 11/18/21 at 6:53 am to TigerGuru1971
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Riley is not coming! Be ready for Billy Napier
Ya know, I've not been outspoken in either the yes or no Riley camp, but I hope to God it is Riley, and that it's announced very soon if only to shut up you Napier mouth breathers for just a second or two.
The Napier clowns are just today's rebranded version of the "he's one of us" clowns.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 6:55 am to Tunasntigers92
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I'd say OU is at the level with Riley that we were with Les, pertaining to him going to Michigan, a lot of us never really got past that
Michigan never offered Les.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:10 am to LSUFAN2
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And if that happened Woodward needs to step down or be fired
Lol U dum
Posted on 11/18/21 at 7:42 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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To get this far into a negotiation just to back out is bargaining in bad faith. It gives Riley and his agent a bad reputation. This industry is too small to go around burning bridges with agents, coaches and athletics directors.
I completely disagree with this part of your take. His agent's only job is to see what the market will bear and then let his client make a choice based on the top dollar that is offered by whoever wants to pay it.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:29 am to IowaCityTigerFan
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I have used an offer to leverage a raise. I’ve done it in the past year. You don’t go deep into these types of discussions with money, demands and resources unless the plan is to move companies. To get this far into a negotiation just to back out is bargaining in bad faith. It gives Riley and his agent a bad reputation. This industry is too small to go around burning bridges with agents, coaches and athletics directors.
I disagree. If he was just leveraging for a raise then simple speculation would’ve been enough for OU to give him a raise - see Mel Tucker.
If things have gotten this far then he’s definitely genuinely considering it. But if OU can match, or come close enough, it may not be worth uprooting his whole life. Maybe OU offers him 10 mil and he has to sit down and consider if the couple extra million is worth uprooting everything, finding new housing, new schools, starting over at a new job.
I don’t think it’s bad faith at all if he backs out at this point.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:43 am to IowaCityTigerFan
quote:I think you are wrong about this. Actually, it is subjective and I think you're perception is off, there is no right or wrong.
To get this far into a negotiation just to back out is bargaining in bad faith. It gives Riley and his agent a bad reputation. This industry is too small to go around burning bridges with agents, coaches and athletics directors.
The ability to back out when...
- you are happy where you are at
- the pursuer really wants you
- you are talking significant increases in money
... is your best leverage. Both sides have to pay- one to get you, one to keep you. Without the leverage of "backing out" then you can only leverage one side of that.
It's not "bad faith" it is "good business".
Look at it this way, using Riley as the example, if OU offers a raise as a counter and he took the LSU job then OU would think the words "bad faith". If one of the two sides inevitably could claim "bad faith" then, ironically, it isn't bad faith because both sides knew the possibility- stay or go- was binary from the beginning. There was no hidden agenda.
Posted on 11/18/21 at 8:54 am to Geauxldilocks
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I'd say OU is at the level with Riley that we were with Les, pertaining to him going to Michigan, a lot of us never really got past that
Michigan never offered Les.
You're so wrong. Not only did they offer, Les accepted (verbally or MOU)but changed his mind once Herbie revealed it (was it Herbie??). I know because I knew multiple LSU coaches and they all said it happened, then it didn't...
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:02 am to IowaCityTigerFan
I can agree with this scenario
Posted on 11/18/21 at 9:38 am to GeauxTigers0107
Lol U dum
After reading that I know I have company
After reading that I know I have company
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