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re: Rabalais on Coach O Staying

Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:29 am to
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10313 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:29 am to
Yeah you are wasting your time with these look at the recruiting rankings star gazers. They are to caught up in the No O agenda, to look at the product on the field. Or just don't know a damn thing about football and where we have been getting our asses kicked in the games that matter.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:30 am to
So you're sticking to your argument that without O, LSU has not and will not recruit any good linemen?
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29860 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:34 am to
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He will be a huge loss to recruiting and defensive line play.


You act like we're not going to replace his position or something. Whoever get's his spot will be a great DLine coach and recruiter.

We'll be fine. Plus, Jimbo has been recruiting better than LSU lately.
Posted by HollierThanThou
Member since Jan 2012
6271 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:35 am to
Oh well, don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

Seriously, we appreciate what you did and value your skills...but you are the VP of recruiting and defensive line, not CEO material.
Posted by TigerFanNKaty
texas
Member since Sep 2008
10313 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:36 am to
I am saying it will be a big loss. Sticking your head in the sand and saying other wise is just being a Ostrich. It will especially hurt if some other SEC west school picks him up. I would be pissed off he did that out of spite especially if he can stick around the school he "loves" and get paid very well. If you can't see the improvement in the Defensive line from when Brick was here you are only watching those DBs you have as your name sake.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:39 am to
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I am saying it will be a big loss. Sticking your head in the sand and saying other wise is just being a Ostrich. It will especially hurt if some other SEC west school picks him up. I would be pissed off he did that out of spite especially if he can stick around the school he "loves" and get paid very well. If you can't see the improvement in the Defensive line from when Brick was here you are only watching those DBs you have as your name sake.


If Orgeron leaves LSU for an SEC West school in the same position then all it proves is how petty he is.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83589 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:40 am to
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I am saying it will be a big loss.
it will be a loss, maybe a huge loss.

however, if Orgeron wants to leave bc he didn't get the head job, then what's LSU supposed to do about it besides offering him his old job back under a new regime? LSU gave him every opportunity to win this job and I don't think he's checking all the boxes to do so. Not LSU's fault if they decide to move on from him.

I get O's recruiting prowess and abilities, they are top notch...however, if he goes to a rival school, he's doing it out of spite to LSU, like you said, and nothing else.

Orgeron's got his own choices to make, and LSU theirs.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77708 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:40 am to
I hope he stays, but no hard feelings if he doesn't.
Posted by Teauxler
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
3773 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:41 am to
So he came to LSU as a DLINE coach. If he stays he's still the DLINE coach and gets a huge bump in pay along with additional titles. Ego gonna get in the way. Now if a HC gig come calling I wouldn't blame him for going.
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
34758 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:43 am to
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No we were not. You O haters need to STFU. He will be a huge loss to recruiting and defensive line play. Look I don't want him as head coach but saying we were better off with Brick Haley and John Chavis is stupid. He was here one year and got two studs on the D-Line. If O leaves the class will drop considerably. Our sack total also went up by over 10 sacks in one season with O. Say what you want about his resume for the head job, the man can coach the d-line.


There is a lot of truth here. This isn't black and white. We could really use Coach O, especially if we need to help an "outsider," like Fedora or Gundy get recruiting stabilized. If O were to go somewhere else with an ax to grind, it's going to put a lot of pressure on the new staff. He was further away at UT and was nationally focused, but he still came in and swiped a good one (a head case, but good recruit at the time) from us.

I don't think Bama shuffles their staff around just to make O happy enough to take a position there with less authority. Like others have said, they already have success recruiting LA. If he were to go to State or Arkansas, it would be an annoyance. However, if he went to Auburn, A&M, or Texas, that would be a real problem for us.

You people who don't recognize that he could hurt us in recruiting are fooling yourselves. You don't give O the head coaching position for that reason, but you certainly make the best effort to keep him on staff.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:44 am to
I appreciate what O has done here, but people believing his political speeches about loving LSU were being duped. He said what fans wanted to hear about everything.

He's a mercenary recruiter and DL coach, and a damn good one. Just happens to be from LA.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:45 am to
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the best effort to keep him on staff.
no shite. No one has posted anything contrary to this.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31477 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:45 am to
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However, if it's because O didn't believe he got a fair shot, well don't let the door hit you on the way out if you're that vindictive.

I'm so tired of hearing this. I can't speak for what Pat Hayden told him at SC, but lets be honest. If Ed wasn't already on staff at SC and LSU, is there any scenario where hes a serious candidate for either job?

Sorry Ed, you had a shot at Ole Miss and you blew it. You're gonna have to start over and prove you can run a program before you're going to be a serious candidate at a major job. Its nothing against you, and you may be very successful. But filling in as interim coach is an awfully small sample size.
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26126 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:45 am to
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Sounds like Coach O mite not stay on the staff, a big loss in recruiting.


But a huge plus in the areas that a head coach touches which are much more extensive.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
83589 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:46 am to
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You don't give O the head coaching position for that reason, but you certainly make the best effort to keep him on staff.
and I think LSU definitely tries to do so, especially at the same job that he's excelled at, DL coach and recruiting coordinator.

but if for some reason he's miffed about not getting the job, then LSU can't do a thing about it. the administration gave him every opportunity to succeed as the interim guy, even getting a road conference game at home and the results are still not good enough to be considered otherwise.

if he leaves for a similar position at a rival school, then that's all on O being spiteful, not LSU.
Posted by dreaux
baton rouge
Member since Oct 2006
40882 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:46 am to
Fisher is a better recruiter..hehe
Posted by penman
Member since Jul 2009
1524 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:47 am to
Can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:51 am to
There are plenty of good DL recruiters out there. We just need to not re-hire Brick Haley.

There might not be a better one than O, but we will be fine with recruiting. We need head coaching, offense, and a quarterback guru more than we need help recruiting and motivating.

Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
31477 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:52 am to
I said this yesterday. All else being equal, where is Ed Orgeron a legitimate candidate for a head coaching vacancy right now. Texas? No. Notre Dame? No. Purdue? Maybe. UL Lafayette? Probably.

LSU doesn't hire a guy that would be the candidate at UL Lafayette. LSU should never have considered this as a possibility.

Consider Eds only head coaching experience is at Ole Miss and two interim stints. He's never even been a coordinator.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 8:54 am
Posted by therick711
South
Member since Jan 2008
26126 posts
Posted on 11/23/16 at 8:52 am to
I wouldn't blame Jimbo a bit if he didn't want that disloyal guy on staff. O's role in undermining Miles has not been fully appreciated by our fans. I wouldn't risk having a guy that is that out for self on a transition staff. There are plenty of great line coaches out there. No need to keep a disgruntled one that is loyal only to himself.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 9:00 am
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