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P.J. Fleck
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:32 pm
I don't know too much about him but I've heard a lot of really good reviews. Why is he not being rumored more for the job opening and what's some positives/negatives about him?
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Posted on 11/9/16 at 10:41 pm to MasterAbe1
See the PJ Fleck 10-0 thread below.
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:09 pm to MasterAbe1
Why is it okay he goes like winless year one
Gets top recruiting class every season in his conference yet has dropped multiple games in conference every season for 3-4 seasons
He finally hasn't lost but he typically has most talent and yet everyone nitpicks on other coaches for losses
This is what his 4th or 5th season?
Gets top recruiting class every season in his conference yet has dropped multiple games in conference every season for 3-4 seasons
He finally hasn't lost but he typically has most talent and yet everyone nitpicks on other coaches for losses
This is what his 4th or 5th season?
Posted on 11/9/16 at 11:49 pm to MasterAbe1
I Like the guy.. I wouldn't be disappointed.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 1:09 am to jamalsdeck
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He finally hasn't lost but he typically has most talent and yet everyone nitpicks on other coaches for losses
This is what his 4th or 5th season?
Because Western Michigan was not a good football school before Fleck got there. It's not like they had been in the top 25 before or beaten any power 5 conference teams. He has done things that his school has never done before. To say his first few seasons were failures are stupid. The man can Coach and motivate. LSU may not get him as the next HC but he does deserve an interview. He is the next great young Coach. He is where Herman was as a coach before He was the man at Houston.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:05 am to jamalsdeck
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He finally hasn't lost but he typically has most talent and yet everyone nitpicks on other coaches for losses
This is what his 4th or 5th season?
Typically a good time to evaluate a coach tbh
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:35 am to jamalsdeck
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Why is it okay he goes like winless year one
He didn't exactly take over a power house program, and the team showed improvement over the course of the season. He went 1-11 in year one, then 8-5 year two.
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Gets top recruiting class every season in his conference yet has dropped multiple games in conference every season for 3-4 seasons
His first full recruiting class are juniors now. So I don't think the argument that his teams are consistently more talented that the opposition holds water.
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This is what his 4th or 5th season?
Fourth, he took over a team that was 4-8 the previous year, and has since gone 1-11, 8-5, 8-5, 10-0. Difficult to scoff at that record.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:38 am to Wayne Campbell
I like how this name keeps getting pumped but from everything we've heard, he's not on anyone's radar.
This post was edited on 11/10/16 at 8:41 am
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:43 am to sicboy
A couple of guys like Draconian Sanctions disagree, but the general consensus is he probably needs seasoning for two or three years like Urban Meyer got at Utah before going to big boy football. That said, if you think he is the next big thing, why not beat everyone else to the punch? Especially if everyone else is fighting over somebody like Herman. Oregon, Baylor, and even places like ND and Tennessee should be taking a hard look at Fleck right now.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:51 am to sicboy
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rom everything we've heard, he's not on anyone's rada
I'm not saying he should be. I wouldn't even know who he is if not for this board. All I can do is look at his record and recruiting and make a judgement from that. I don't know anything about his coaching style, quality, or philosophy.
I've seen people basically call him a young Orgeron. Maybe that's true, I'd rather roll the dice on 'young Orgeron' (with HC experience, unlike Orgeron from 10 years ago) than hire current Orgeron.
I'll admit I'm biased against O. I was at LSU during his tenure at Ole Miss, and he was a joke. Fair or not, I haven't been able to separate him from that joke.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:52 am to Bunk Moreland
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Draconian Sanctions
Under the delusion that if he yells about it long enough, Alleva will create an account...
Posted on 11/10/16 at 8:58 am to jamalsdeck
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He finally hasn't lost but he typically has most talent and yet everyone nitpicks on other coaches for losses
This is what his 4th or 5th season?
I personally think it is a good thing for a coach to take over a program and make it better over time as it totally becomes his program. I could be wrong on this assumption, but for some reason that is what comes to mind.
LSU fans want LSU to look at a guy who was a one-season-wonder with another coach's players and then looks much worse the next season. I don't think it would be any more embarrassing for them to look at this guy.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:25 am to Tiger Ree
He gone...
Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:31 am to Bunk Moreland
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A couple of guys like Draconian Sanctions disagree, but the general consensus is he probably needs seasoning for two or three years like Urban Meyer got at Utah before going to big boy football. That said, if you think he is the next big thing, why not beat everyone else to the punch? Especially if everyone else is fighting over somebody like Herman. Oregon, Baylor, and even places like ND and Tennessee should be taking a hard look at Fleck right now.
Because if you hire someone before they are ready, they are in over their head and will fail. Some need "training" and a middle-tier job before going to the big boys.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:49 am to MasterAbe1
If LSU considers him they might as well consider the LaTech offensive coordinator since they have the best offense in the country
These obviously aren't the caliber coaches that a powerhouse program like LSU needs to win championships. Credit to them, but most of their success comes due to the low quality opponents they play every week
These obviously aren't the caliber coaches that a powerhouse program like LSU needs to win championships. Credit to them, but most of their success comes due to the low quality opponents they play every week
Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:59 am to Wayne Campbell
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Fourth, he took over a team that was 4-8 the previous year, and has since gone 1-11, 8-5, 8-5, 10-0. Difficult to scoff at that record.
That first year was brutal for him:
W/L.....Date..........PF.....Opponent..........PA
L.......08-30-2013....13.....Michigan St.......26
L.......09-07-2013....23.....Nicholls St.......27
L.......09-14-2013....17.....Northwestern......38
L.......09-21-2013....3......Iowa..............59
L.......09-28-2013....14.....Kent St...........32
L.......10-05-2013....20.....Toledo............47
L.......10-12-2013....0......Buffalo...........33
L.......10-19-2013....17.....Ball St...........38
W.......10-26-2013....31.....Massachusetts.....30
L.......11-09-2013....32.....Eastern Michigan..35
L.......11-16-2013....22.....Central Michigan..27
L.......11-26-2013....14.....Northern Illinois.33
Going from losing to a 4-8 Nicholls team that had only 2 Division I wins (WMU & NWST) that season and a 70-7 loss to ULL to now being 10-0 is pretty impressive, IMO.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 11:37 am to MasterAbe1
Fleck is a fricking annoying douchebag.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 2:24 pm to JumpingTheShark
He sounds like Tony Robbins.
Posted on 11/10/16 at 5:20 pm to MasterAbe1
He's good for a promotion to Hillsdale college. Outside that he's not qualified for LSU
Posted on 11/10/16 at 9:27 pm to JumpingTheShark
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Fleck is a fricking annoying douchebag.
Thank you.
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