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ND fan's view of Brian Kelly

Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:55 pm
Posted by MarkGolf
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:55 pm
Hi all. Not here to troll! As a longtime fan of Notre Dame (since 1970) and as someone who watches every play of every game, just wanted to give you my impressions of Brian Kelly that mirror pretty much what other Irish fans see. First, the pros:

- Excellent judge of talent on the recruiting trail. Is amazing at spotting under-recruited and under-rated players.

- Excellent at developing players, as evidenced by the number of players he's put into the NFL.

- Teams play hard and with passion and effort.

- Hires excellent assistants.

- Proven winner everywhere he's been.

Now, the cons:

- Mediocre to terrible at offensive game planning and game management. Head-scratching playcalling. Often has no Plan B, much less Plan C, when Plan A isn't working on offense.

- Will often leave more talented and even game-breaking players on the bench in favor of lesser-talented - and in some cases, far less talented - players he considers more fundamentally sound.

- Plays not to lose instead of playing aggressively to win.

- Often struggles to beat teams that have far less talent and gets blown out in big games. Very poor record against Top 10 teams.

General comments:

- Some of you are glad Tommy Rees decided not to join him as offensive coordinator. While BK generally leaves the defensive game planning and playcalling to his coordinator, he has a heavy hand in the offense. Make no mistake - Rees may be the coordinator, but BK designed the playbook, does the game planning and, if not calling every specific play, definitely has a strong say in what is called.

- Some of you are saying it's not a big deal about almost none of his assistants following him to Baton Rouge, saying Nick Saban had the same experience after leaving Michigan State. Remember, at the time Saban was not considered the cream of the crop like Kelly is perceived to be. It is common for assistants to follow an elite coach in a coaching change - look at Lincoln Riley to USC, for example. Mike Elston, who has followed Kelly at every stop and is about as loyal as it gets, chose this time to stay at Notre Dame. BK alienated his whole coaching staff by how he handled this, but it goes beyond that.

- You will find BK is not a nice guy. You can justify it by saying nice guys finish last, and he's there not to make friends and his job is to win. And I would agree with that. Just telling you what you're getting.

- In summary, you will be happy with your new coach for a while. But unless he makes some fundamental changes to how he goes about things, you are likely in for what we experienced: Playing down to the competition and not being competitive against the Alabamas and Georgias, or any other team that is legit. But as I said, there's a balance. He's a proven winner and will win you a lot of games. Will he take you to the mountaintop once again? Personally, I doubt it, but no one can predict the future with any certainty. Good luck going forward!
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:00 am
Posted by chadr07
Pineville, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
7865 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:59 pm to
The South breeds completely different animals as far as athletes down here.

Plus Kelly was hamstrung by NDs academic restrictions and still averaged 10/11 wins a year

BK is going to kill it at LSU with the level of talent that will be here. If two buffoons can compete in the SEC and win it, I’m pretty sure Kelly will do just fine.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
47360 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:00 am to
I didn’t read your post. Way too long and BK is already here so it doesn’t matter.

Thanks though.
Posted by Bonjourno
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2010
2705 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:01 am to
quote:

Playing down to the competition and not being competitive against the Alabama and Georgia, or any other team that is legit.


“Not being competitive”

Just out of curiosity, how do you think Les Miles or Ed Orgeron would have fared if they were leading Notre Dame in these big games. They managed to get to the top here. Brian Kelly will do just fine
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
16901 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:01 am to
He doesn’t have to coach nerds anymore who also can play football. He can coach athletic freaks that score 17 on the ACT and go to basket weaving classes
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:02 am
Posted by TigerDean
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
1342 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:02 am to
I don't care what ND and it's people think of Brian Kelly... If your not a Fightin' Tiger, Your Tigerbait!!
Posted by JoeBurreaux
Member since Dec 2019
82 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:02 am to
You say he struggles against bad teams but didn't he have a streak of like 40 games won straight against unranked teams? It's things like that you will probably miss about him. We've had enough of the emotion head coaches around here. Give me a business like approach for once.
Posted by LSUdc
Member since Nov 2011
479 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:03 am to
Don't listen to any haters who show up. Thanks for the honest assessment.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28500 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:08 am to
Fair assessment.

A few things. I think context is important when considering why assts aren't following him. Freeman obviously, but even Rees is getting far more autonomy. Regarding other assts, they still have a chance at a CFP. I get it. The PROs you listed are things that are severely missing at LSU right now.

I'm concerned about the offensive game planning and hoping Kelly hires an OC with some experience and backbone.

I don't care about the nice guy mantra at all. Saban is a dickhead of the highest accord


P.s. there is a volume of elite talent that Kelly can get at LSU that he can't get at ND. You know that. Hell, Kelly told you that himself by coming here. That will change some things in and of itself

As others have stated, les miles and ed O were buffoons. Idiots. Eat grass and rip your shirt off buffoons.

We're excited about having a coach with some actual football knowledge
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:14 am
Posted by ZenFNmaster
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Nov 2007
2456 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:08 am to
Kelly returned ND back to prominence. You'd think the faithful would be a little more grateful and gracious to the man who rescued you from a string of poor hires and getting skull drug by LSU in the sugar bowl.

Posted by MrWalkingMan
31st Parallel North
Member since Aug 2010
6304 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:09 am to
quote:

As a longtime fan of Notre Dame (since 1970)


I am embarrassed for you
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
6429 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:10 am to
Shut up
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
14869 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:10 am to
quote:

“Not being competitive”

Just out of curiosity, how do you think Les Miles or Ed Orgeron would have fared if they were leading Notre Dame in these big games. They managed to get to the top here. Brian Kelly will do just fine


Orgeron hired the right coaches to lead the team on offense and defense. Didn't you see what happened when he strucked out getting another good hire on both the offense and defense? That is what makes a HC not what Orgeron did by hiring the right coaches all over again. It is hard to do it and not see those great coaches leave for a HC and another to coach in the NFL.
Do not forget there are a lot better teams in the SEC now. Even Arkansas beat LSU! How is that not on other schools getting better by hiring better HCs and assistants? LSU will have to deal with tough west division once again! It isn't going to be a cake walk like 2019 when most of the teams weren't good enough.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:33 am
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:11 am to
The only thing a ND fan should do is thank BK for pulling their school out of the gutter.

I lived in Chicago before BK got there. Jimmy Claussen was supposed to be a savior.. that flopped. Few of my buddies went to law school in South Bend. Never enjoyed the atmosphere, everybody is such a blow hard.

BK wanted a new challenge, sometimes people just like a change. How the ND fanbase has handled this news has made y’all look petty, entitled and classless.

We don’t need fans coming to our page to tell what to think of the coach. I don’t really care what your motives are, pure or not.

You should build a damn statue for that man. He is the only reason your stuffy arse University is relevant.
Posted by deaux
Member since Oct 2018
20267 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:12 am to
quote:

Mike Elston, who has followed Kelly at every stop and is about as loyal as it gets, chose this time to stay at Notre Dame. BK alienated his whole coaching staff by how he handled this, but it goes beyond that.


I’m sure the promotions and raises have nothing to do with it

Winningest coach in program history. “But he’s mean and nobody likes him and he can’t win games.”
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 1:23 am
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7231 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:12 am to
Posted by IowaCityTigerFan
Iowa City
Member since Nov 2019
1513 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:14 am to
Sorry man, I live in the Midwest. ND people are so entitled. Mommy and Daddy gave them everything they ever wanted.

This is the first time somebody has ever told them “no” and it shows.
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:21 am to
No offense but this post almost reads like you're trying to troll us by saying his negatives are identical to Les Miles. Not only that, it seems more obvious of a troll post when you put stuff out there like Elston not following him. Did he not get promoted to stay at ND? It's also difficult for a staff to just up and leave in the middle of a potential NC/playoff run especially when they're promoting guys from within. Freeman might be the luckiest first time HC ever. He should be thanking Kelly for the opportunity.
Posted by Tshirts
Member since Oct 2021
102 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:24 am to
Thanks for your comments
Posted by CalTiger53
California
Member since Oct 2011
9034 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:26 am to
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This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 12:40 am
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