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re: My two negative talking points Re: Dave Aranda
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:28 pm to jonboy
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:28 pm to jonboy
Walked with 10 feet of Covid positive and they locked you up for 10 days in a small hotel room with a tray of food outside your door once a day. Could not leave the room. Worse than being in prison.
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Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:33 pm to Greace
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Its no use. This place is a shitshow. So much shite is based on who wins the weekend before. As soon as Napier and Aranda lose a game both of them will be off the watchlist
sir this is a fan message board, we are not making any hiring decisions
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:36 pm to supatigah
Doesn't mean it has to be as back and forth as So and So lost this week take them off the list.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:38 pm to S
None of these stats really matter, because of different circumstances. However, I see a trend with what I consider some of the top teams this season.
Total Offense YPG Avg
1. Ohio St.
5. Ole Miss
6. Alabama
24. Baylor
31. OU
34. UGA
65. Louisiana
90. LSU
3rd down conversion
2. Bama
3. Ohio St
18. UGA
35. OU
64. Baylor
78. LSU
86. Ole Miss
87. Louisiana
Offensive TDs
1. Ohio St (61)
2. Alabama (59)
OU (52)
UGA (52)
Ole Miss (49)
Baylor (46)
Louisiana (46)
A&M (33)
LSU (35)
Total Offense YPG Avg
1. Ohio St.
5. Ole Miss
6. Alabama
24. Baylor
31. OU
34. UGA
65. Louisiana
90. LSU
3rd down conversion
2. Bama
3. Ohio St
18. UGA
35. OU
64. Baylor
78. LSU
86. Ole Miss
87. Louisiana
Offensive TDs
1. Ohio St (61)
2. Alabama (59)
OU (52)
UGA (52)
Ole Miss (49)
Baylor (46)
Louisiana (46)
A&M (33)
LSU (35)
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:40 pm to Chicken
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Lester, you coach in the now, and you trust your coach to make good hires in the future.
Aranda failed at this already in just 2 years
That is my point. Why would you trust him? His sample size is small but there are red flags people are choosing to ignore
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:43 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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CFB has evolved to where no defense can consistently shut down the good offenses. It’s much easier to put together a defense that can slow teams down/force some turnovers than it is to piece together an offense to keep up with elite scoring teams.
This is somewhat true but not entirely. You still need a defense that can get stops consistently. You can’t fully rely on an offense to score every possession. Georgia for example, has a great defense and we’ll see if their offense can do enough and that is where I agree with you partially. There has to be a good balance between the two.
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Take Daronte. Is he actually now some elite DC that finally figured things out? Or is he just a decent coach that realized hey I have some great athletes so let me move these guys around to create some chaos and maybe we can get enough stops to give our offense a chance against Alabama? It doesn’t take a genius to do that.
So, Peleni would work for you as a DC then? No one is winning championships with that shite arse fricking defense.
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Offense, on the other hand, is harder to fake or just find something that works. It takes a consistent philosophy and, more importantly, consistently recruiting to fit that philosophy.
I agree, but you need the same thing on defense. You can’t just focus on one side of the ball and expect to win. Both will have off days and you have to be able to make up for it when one isn’t at their best. Thinking one sided like that is what you get in the Big 12 most of the time and why they can’t compete consistently.
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A revolving door of OCs will condemn LSU to another decade of up and down years with little consistency when it comes to truly competing against the elites.
While I agree, the same is true on the defensive side of the ball. If you have a terrible defense and your offense has an off day, you’re fricked. If you have a consistent defense that can keep you in games, you always have a chance to win. That’s why you need a balance of both and not a top notch offense and terrible defense or the other way around. You’re always going to have to rely on coordinator hires one way or the other. Do you think we’d win the championship in 2019 with the 2020 Peleni defense? Doubtful.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:43 pm to Greace
NONE of this discussion on this site matters
NONE of it
I especially love the guys that read dozens of posts and see the ones they disagree with and then its “this board says” like there is ever some consensus on here
NONE of it
I especially love the guys that read dozens of posts and see the ones they disagree with and then its “this board says” like there is ever some consensus on here
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:45 pm to beauchristopher
quote:
None of these stats really matter, because of different circumstances. However, I see a trend with what I consider some of the top teams this season.
Total Offense YPG Avg
1. Ohio St.
5. Ole Miss
6. Alabama
24. Baylor
31. OU
34. UGA
65. Louisiana
90. LSU
3rd down conversion
2. Bama
3. Ohio St
18. UGA
35. OU
64. Baylor
78. LSU
86. Ole Miss
87. Louisiana
Offensive TDs
1. Ohio St (61)
2. Alabama (59)
OU (52)
UGA (52)
Ole Miss (49)
Baylor (46)
Louisiana (46)
A&M (33)
LSU (35)
Remember this when Napier stans act like he’s an offensive and recruiting savant.
This is his performance with him calling the plays and the most talent in his conference.
Now think about how he would look if he didn’t have the most talent in his division (which would be the case here)
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Aranda failed at this already in just 2 years That is my point. Why would you trust him? His sample size is small but there are red flags people are choosing to ignore
one would hire aranda based on pedigree and potential, like Baylor did
SW has zero track record of hiring based on potential, so unless he is changing his strategy Aranda is a no go for LSU HC
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:46 pm to Adam Banks
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Napier stans
I would almost wager those same people are the ones who wanted O
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:47 pm to Greace
you would win that bet
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:47 pm to Adam Banks
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Offensive minds are also FAR more common these days
I agree. I think I would rather have an elite defensive guy as head coach who can slow down the offenses that Ohio state Oklahoma Bama run. They seem a lot harder to come by in the current state of CFB. Outside of saban, Kirby and aranda I can’t think of any other elite defensive minds off the top of my head.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
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but you compare say what Aranda did, to Lane Kiffin(who took over for a fired coach, in a much tougher conference), and you must ask how much further hiring an offensive minded coach goes. More of that in point 2.
stop making so much sense
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:52 pm to Greace
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I would almost wager those same people are the ones who wanted O
And the same ones that want Aranda
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:53 pm to Lester Earl
Well thought out analysis.
ETA: but I am of the HC being a defensive guru first.
ETA: but I am of the HC being a defensive guru first.
This post was edited on 11/21/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:54 pm to Lester Earl
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I don’t care about Riley’s D at OU
I don’t even care that much about his D at LSU
Seriously, you hire Riley to bring the offense to an elite level.
If he does that in BR, there will always be enough talent for any competent DC to keep teams from keeping pace if we’re putting up 40+ points a game.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:55 pm to Lester Earl
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1) Took over an 11-3 program, where the coach was poached, not fired, and went 2-7 in Y1, by a combined score of 131-218.
1) The Baylor roster was depleted after 2019. Just like LSU's roster. A lot of players left for the draft or were seniors.
2) Aranda was named coach on Jan 16, 2020. Publicly announced on Jan 20, 2020. When was signing day for 2020 recruits?
3) Rhule left a 50th ranked recruiting class on his way out of the door. His previous classes: 40, 29, 35, 50.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:57 pm to Lester Earl
I've been 100% all-in on Aranda since before Ed even got the interim title. Aranda is going to prove out to be an incredibly powerful head coach at his next job.
And now the board has pretty much given up on him and just wants the guy from Chokelahoma, who isn't leaving there.
So now I'm just gonna kick back and watch. It'll either be a really good hire or a spectacular letdown.
And now the board has pretty much given up on him and just wants the guy from Chokelahoma, who isn't leaving there.
So now I'm just gonna kick back and watch. It'll either be a really good hire or a spectacular letdown.
Posted on 11/21/21 at 12:59 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Aranda is going to prove out to be an incredibly powerful head coach at his next job.
This might be true but that doesn't mean that LSU should be gunning for him at this point
Posted on 11/21/21 at 1:01 pm to koLSU86
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You can’t fully rely on an offense to score every possession
No one is saying this or expects it.
quote:
So, Peleni would work for you as a DC then? No one is winning championships with that shite arse fricking defense.
There is a difference in Pelini and finding a competent DC that can find a way to get key stops or timely turnovers to give an elite offense the room it needs to succeed.
Plenty of guys could come in and do what Daronte has this year imo.
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I agree, but you need the same thing on defense
Maintaining consistent, or at least a workable, philosophy on defense through coordinator changes is much easier on defense than offense imo.
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