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Marcus Freeman / Mike Archer

Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
841 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:03 pm
Everything I hear about M Freeman is that he will be successful. But I can’t help but think about Mike Archer and the similar circumstances ……
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
82337 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:05 pm to
Internal promotions aren't always bad. Osborne and Paterno worked out well (on the field, anyway).
Posted by Sub Par SUPERSTAR
Florida
Member since Sep 2021
822 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:06 pm to
Barry Switzer and Tom Osborne too, total hacks.
Posted by tigersquad89
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2014
8502 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:07 pm to
Dabo worked out pretty well
Posted by macaoidh
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
2922 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:08 pm to
Bobby Williams, baw.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
88335 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:09 pm to
Lincoln Riley
Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:18 pm to
Marcus Freeman is the sexiest hire in the world who has done very little to actually garner the implied value. Cincy D was better this year without him. His former HC, with another DC(1st year) went into ND and beat them. Besides some recruiting prowess what has Freeman done to garner all the attention???
Posted by DmitriKaramazov
Member since Nov 2015
5659 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:18 pm to
There is no question (for the knowledgeable) that there are historical parallels. In both instances, an established coach (Arnsparger/Kelly) left for another program (Florida AD/LSU) and was replaced by a very young DC (Archer 34/Freeman 35) with no HC experience based on an upswell of player sentiment. It's a huge risk.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 1:19 pm
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12941 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:18 pm to
Bob Davie was a similar hire by the Irish.

In fairness, they raised the academic standards when Holtz left (possibly part of the reason he left). Guys like Tim Brown and Jerome Bettis wouldnt be able to get into ND after that. Im not sure if theyve loosened them up since then, but ND seems to be at a huge disadvantage in recruiting, similar to Vanderbilt- although ND's is partly made up by the nationwide draw and catholic school connections. But Im sure Kelly had the same frustrations as Holtz and wants to see what he can do with more favorable recruiting circumstances. id love to hear him speak about that aspect of the job change.



This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 2:31 pm
Posted by FutureRATeammember
Member since Jan 2015
4306 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:20 pm to
Freeman is a very good tactician. Understands x's and o's and knows how to gameplan based on his personnel. He can also recruit.

This is a grand slam hire.
Posted by Shooter
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
9347 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:25 pm to
I think he moved up too quick. We’ll see
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
36138 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:30 pm to
History says it is a risk. But I understand why they did it.

Kelly left ND because he believes he can never get enough talent there to beat Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, etc when those teams are at their best.

ND has (at the moment) what appears to be a good recruiting class (in terms of ranking). Many are attributing that to Freeman.

Thus, if getting talent is the perceived problem, then keeping the guy who they think can get the talent is a reasonable solution.

However, as we ALL know, getting talent is just one, albeit very important, piece of the puzzle. You still have to get that talent to perform/execute. There is a coach currently hanging out on the beach in Destin who could do one...but not the other.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
14061 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:34 pm to
Ed O won a NC after being promoted to full time HC. Got fired a couple years later though.
Posted by OvertheDwayneBowe
Member since Sep 2016
3531 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:39 pm to
The game has changed since the 90s so much.

Dabo
Riley
Day
Smart
Fickell
Fisher

All of them found success going from coordinator straight to a HC.
Posted by Pmtiger
Member since Dec 2014
841 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:05 pm to
It was not so much going from coordinator to HC

Age and the fact that the team made the decision.

Lots of parallels.
Posted by Yat27
Austin
Member since Nov 2010
8375 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

Dabo

Hadn't even been a coordinator before getting the interim job at Clemson.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
4104 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:27 pm to
Yeah, Mike Archer was no Bill Arnsparger. We’ll see how Freeman fairs.
Posted by Domeskeller
Astrodome
Member since Jun 2020
10093 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:28 pm to
quote:

This is a grand slam hire.


Perhaps. It’s about more than Xs and Os and simple recruiting. You have to make the right recruiting evaluations. You have to properly manage the roster. You have to deal with the everyday headaches assistants don’t have to handle. It’s about handing moms and dads calling to complain. It’s about booster functions and other stuff too.

Three are plenty of examples of assistants succeeding right away as head coaches. And there are just as many examples of assistants flopping as first-time head coaches. It’s riskier, especially at a big-time program like Notre Dame.

Not saying it won’t work. Just saying Notre Dame should probably go another 2 or 3 years before we determine whether Freeman is a home run or a strikeout or somewhere in between.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted by Geauxstbuster
Member since Sep 2016
333 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 2:37 pm to
quote:

This is a grand slam hire.


I like Freeman and think it's a good hire, but grand slam? IMO, there is way too much risk hiring a 35 year old first time head coach for it to be considered a grand slam.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
29390 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 3:30 pm to
quote:

Everything I hear about M Freeman is that he will be successful. But I can’t help but think about Mike Archer and the similar circumstances …
How is this any different from Bob Stoops handing the keys to Lincoln Riley? Freeman, like Riley, boosted the team's recruiting immediately and improved the side of the ball he was on. Freeman was around a great offense at Cincinnati, I doubt he lets Rees slack on his duties.

LSU fans may get mad at me for saying this, but ND benefited from this just as much as LSU did. That entire staff is still intact and that's an incredible thing.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 5:01 pm
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