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Kirby Smart: "No coach can out-coach recruiting." Something to remember with Aranda

Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:36 pm
Posted by Frank Black
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:36 pm
I know Aranda is a great coach, but the knock against him is that he doesn't like to recruit. Not sure you can build long term success with a coach who doesn't like to recruit

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Coaches and schemes are often given too much credit for success, Kirby Smart points out that there isn't a coach out there that can out-coach bad recruiting.

The best teams in college football are a mix of the best players, and some of the best coaches and coordinators in the country that are able to put it all together and execute consistently every Saturday.


Football Scoop: Kirby Smart says no coach can out coach recruiting
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:37 pm to
But he does

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:40 pm to
I think Les Miles proved this statement to be a fallacy pretty definitively
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:40 pm to
The narrative that Aranda can't recruit is overblown. He snagged some really good recruits with his time here not to mention he took several 3* and made them NFL players.
Posted by J2thaROC
Member since May 2018
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:42 pm to
Good thing for Kirby or he would be jobless. Because he damn sure can’t coach.
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:42 pm to
quote:

I think Les Miles proved this statement to be a fallacy pretty definitively


We sure about that?

Les Miles won a national title and played for another, won two SEC titles.

I think that proves Kirby's point actually. He was likely never a top 3-4 coach in terms of X's and O's in the SEC and he had a hell of a lot of success.
Posted by Adam Banks
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

know Aranda is a great coach, but the knock against him is that he doesn't like to recruit.


Orgeron camp propaganda to knock Aranda down in 2016
Posted by Wrucker16
Member since Jul 2014
3361 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:43 pm to
Here y’all go with this bs narrative again. Aranda recruited great defensive players in every class he had at LSU.
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

but the knock against him is that he doesn't like to recruit


Which is a myth perpetuated by rantards

He hated recruiting so much…he became a head coach!
Posted by PinevilleTiger
Pineville, LA
Member since Sep 2005
6391 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:44 pm to
I’ve always said that a chimp could coach Bama to 10 wins every year when you have the best high school athlete in the country at each position. It’s insane! 90% horses, 10% coaching.
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:46 pm to
Of course that’s true to an extent. After all the coaches aren’t playing, the players are. Recruit great players and even average football X’s and O’s Will suffice.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:47 pm to
Kirby said that Brady's offense wasn't anything unusual, it was just executed very well with elite players (paraphrased).

You have to have all of the above: A good scheme. well coached with great players.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
57232 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:47 pm to
Not sure where that narrative is actually coming from. That's Joe Brady. The S or P on the right side of the recruit is for Primary or Secondary for those that don't follow recruiting.



Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:49 pm to
Kinda funny how this Aranda can't recruit narrative appeared out of thin air and people are latching on to it.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116454 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:55 pm to
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Les Miles won a national title and played for another, won two SEC titles.



Mixed into both of those title runs were losses to Arkansas and Kentucky. And add in 5-6 more disappointing seasons compared to the rosters talent…Apparently you can on some level out coach recruiting

It’s simply not an either/or scenario. No you can’t win if you can’t recruit. But that also doesn’t mean that recruiting is the end all be all. It’s a piece of a very large puzzle.

I’d argue player development is infinitely more important than recruiting. If you develop players while they are on campus, then it leads to winning which is the greatest recruiting tool of them all. Bama and UGA don’t win every year because they sign a bunch of 5 stars, they win every year because they consistently turn those 5 stars into elite players and contributors which turns into more elite young players wanting to follow that mold
This post was edited on 11/1/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
116454 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:56 pm to
quote:

Kinda funny how this Aranda can't recruit narrative appeared out of thin air and people are latching on to it.


It was created by the same people who were adamant that Aranda had zero head coach intentions and was going to be a DC for his entire career
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12944 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 3:58 pm to
I also think you cant out-recruit bad coaching. Not in the SEC for sure. You need both.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
48427 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:08 pm to
quote:

I’ve always said that a chimp could coach Bama to 10 wins every year when you have the best high school athlete in the country at each position. It’s insane! 90% horses, 10% coaching.


Truth

Saban can coach top talent better than anyone in CFB and he gets this talent yearly.

Hell, he'd wreck shite with UGA's roster the past few years too.
Posted by Willie Stroker
Member since Sep 2008
17160 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:34 pm to
quote:

Here y’all go with this bs narrative again. Aranda recruited great defensive players in every class he had at LSU.

So what’s your assessment as to how he has recruited while at Baylor?
Posted by tigercross
Member since Feb 2008
5075 posts
Posted on 11/1/21 at 4:37 pm to
quote:

"No coach can out-coach recruiting."


Why do we think this is true? Look at Iowa. They've finished in the top 15 probably 3-4 times in the past 20 years. How many top 25 recruiting classes have they had?
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