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Is there an example of an avg HC with great OC/DC doing well?

Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:44 pm
Posted by AlaTiger
America
Member since Aug 2006
21651 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:44 pm
People keep saying to hire Coach O and just get a great OC to go with Aranda and we'll be fine.

Really?

Could you give an example of that ever working?


Tommy Tuberville is all I can think of when he would get great coordinator hires. Then, they would leave and he'd struggle again. Very inconsistent.

When else did this work?
Posted by Col Reb is my mascot
Member since Feb 2012
4165 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:45 pm to
Dabo Swinney
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8881 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 9:53 pm to
DABO !!

He was the WR's coach with NO prior HC experience.

That's why people are ok with CEO as LSU's head football coach
Posted by Ironhead985
Member since Jun 2013
10208 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:20 pm to
quote:

People keep saying to hire Coach O and just get a great OC to go with Aranda and we'll be fine. Really? Very inconsistent.
That's my biggest concern with hiring O. It'd more than likely be wildly inconsistent like Auburn without the championship runs here and there.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:24 pm to
Chizik
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:28 pm to
bobby bowden
Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:40 pm to
Miles.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 11/6/16 at 10:48 pm to
Miles had Jimbo and Peveto. Not sure if Miles is avg or slightly below avg.
Posted by Tiger Tracker
Austin,TX
Member since Nov 2015
7266 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 1:51 am to
quote:

DABO !!

He was the WR's coach with NO prior HC experience.


I don't get how this answers OP's question. Dabo went from position coach to HC, but he has been an above average HC. I don't believe the ONLY reason Dabo is a successful HC is because of his coordinators.

quote:

That's why people are ok with CEO as LSU's head football coach



You can't compare these situations really. Dabo wasnt a previously failed HC and DC when promoted to interim HC. So if that's their reasoning then it's flawed logic. Dabo is also an exception to the rule of hiring an interim HC to perm and them finding the success like LSU will demand of their new HC. Usually they aren't hired at all or they fizzle out quickly.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140999 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 9:31 am to
Jason Garrett

Larry Smith at Arizona, USC, and Mizzou.

Rich Rod? Since he has left WVU really what has he done to make you think he was above average?

Tommy Bowden at Tulane and somewhat at Climpzin

Sumlin with Dana, Kilff, the Chief


So yeah I think there are some examples.



Posted by abellsujr
Member since Apr 2014
38456 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:05 am to
Miles did better than all of those guys for a much longer period of time.
Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8131 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:37 am to
quote:

bobby bowden

This is the correct answer.

A great coach is a great coach. Their influence and effect is visible. Players play hard all game long. They don't make stupid mistakes. They remain poised and calm in high pressure situations.

Now, if a man chooses to focus on leadership as opposed to tactics, that's fine. Bobby Bowden became a 'big picture' guy towards the end of his run.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
Member since Oct 2008
88509 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:46 am to
While Bowden was very average as far as X's and O's go, he was a very good game manager, had a great sense of timing and when to call "that play" they had been saving to bust a game open.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
112593 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Sumlin with Dana, Kilff, the Chief
If Sumlin fits the definition of doing well, why the hell did we fire Miles?

Posted by Watchmaker
Member since Aug 2016
768 posts
Posted on 11/7/16 at 11:03 am to
The head coach should bring a specialty to the table. Saban is responsible for the defense at Bama, not the DC.

When Aranda gets a head job, it will be his defense. Saban is happy hiring a specialist in for the offense.
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