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re: Is Miles Age Working Against Him?
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:42 pm to WMTigerFAN
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:42 pm to WMTigerFAN
Miles is acting like he's looking for work to get paid by LSU.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:34 pm to WMTigerFAN
Age is not the issue. A lot of folks in their 60's are quite active and productive.
Les' behavioral history does limit him. People are looking at his getting fired four games into the season and are hesitant to take a chance on someone who had had a good run and then nosedived only to be canned by a program such as LSU. They are thinking there is more to it than just wins and losses and would be thinking correctly.
Les' behavioral history does limit him. People are looking at his getting fired four games into the season and are hesitant to take a chance on someone who had had a good run and then nosedived only to be canned by a program such as LSU. They are thinking there is more to it than just wins and losses and would be thinking correctly.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:49 pm to Hamma1122
It's insane people actually believe this.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 7:53 pm to Choupique19
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I don't recall anyone calling Miles a great recruiter while at Oklahoma State
I do. I live not far from Stillwater, and did when Miles was there too. He managed to lure Bobby Reid to sign with OSU, who at the time was the most sensational quarterback recruit in school history. Reid's career was unfortunately never more than serviceable, as a broken throwing shoulder early into college, during practice, greatly affected his potential.
And then there was Rashaun Woods who Miles recruited to Okie State. Had himself a respectable NFL career after a couple years at OSU and was a late first round pick and highly desired HS recruit. Miles was picking up a lot of steam in recruiting when LSU came knocking.
I won't comment on his coaching ability or lack thereof, but he was damn sure a great recruiter at OKSt and even better at LSU.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:11 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Reid's career was unfortunately never more than serviceable
Another QB ruined by Miles? I'm shocked I tells ya...
Posted on 1/13/17 at 8:54 pm to WMTigerFAN
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Serious question....Is Miles Age Working Against Him?
Serious answer-
Yes, age is a factor, but the fact that he is a big fricking joke as a coach is a much greater factor.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 9:11 pm to Arkansasrazorback
Coach Miles was a solid coach for many years.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 6:57 am to WMTigerFAN
Nobody wants to hire him and the media crucified LSU last year when we wanted to fire him. frick ESPN and the libtard media for that, pisses me off more now than it did last year.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 6:58 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 7:46 am to cypressbrake3
Dude would suck if he was at a school like Oklahoma State, he is luck Saban and LSU made him. Without those recruits he would have fell off in year 3.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:13 am to tduecen
I figured Western Michigan would be the perfect spot for Miles to try to reinvent himself. Minnesota perhaps. It's shocking how far down the ladder he goes. Guess he'll join the Houston Nutts of the profession, and do the media thing. Maybe Butch Davis will hire him as an assistant at FIU.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:27 am to WMTigerFAN
People tend to think name linked to a job = interest....
Of course his name is linked to every job he is the biggest name remaining. It takes two and while I think he had interest in Minnesota they bypassed him.
Of course his name is linked to every job he is the biggest name remaining. It takes two and while I think he had interest in Minnesota they bypassed him.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 8:46 am to tduecen
Miles had a nice start here and one good year outside those first 3 seasons. The ending of that one season was the epitome of Les and the years to follow. Disappointment, refusal to adapt, and losing the big games.
I don't know what happened, maybe it was his own stupidity in 2008 with a redshirt freshman quarterback that traumatized him, but he got more and more conservative and predictable on offense. His refusal to admit something wasn't working and commitment to "his style" superseded his sense of commitment to LSU. He was flat out stubborn and wanted to be right more than anything. Kind of like the posters who ardently defend him and the toss dive.
We were trending down for 4-5 years bc Les refused to change. That's the reality. If you think other people outside Baton Rouge didn't notice and that people view him as some truly elite coach, you're kidding yourself. The fact that he was literally too stubborn to do what everyone could see needed to be done speaks volumes about him. I assure you it didn't go unnoticed.
I don't even know why anyone fights to defend him. He had 12 years. Some great, some good, many very average. That last few more underwhelming than the last. It is what it is.
He's set financially and doesn't need to coach, no doubt. If you think with his ego and pride, that he's content just drawing a check, then you're mistaken. I guarantee you he's itching to coach and would jump on any decent job at this point. He doesn't want to go out like he's going out.
I don't know what happened, maybe it was his own stupidity in 2008 with a redshirt freshman quarterback that traumatized him, but he got more and more conservative and predictable on offense. His refusal to admit something wasn't working and commitment to "his style" superseded his sense of commitment to LSU. He was flat out stubborn and wanted to be right more than anything. Kind of like the posters who ardently defend him and the toss dive.
We were trending down for 4-5 years bc Les refused to change. That's the reality. If you think other people outside Baton Rouge didn't notice and that people view him as some truly elite coach, you're kidding yourself. The fact that he was literally too stubborn to do what everyone could see needed to be done speaks volumes about him. I assure you it didn't go unnoticed.
I don't even know why anyone fights to defend him. He had 12 years. Some great, some good, many very average. That last few more underwhelming than the last. It is what it is.
He's set financially and doesn't need to coach, no doubt. If you think with his ego and pride, that he's content just drawing a check, then you're mistaken. I guarantee you he's itching to coach and would jump on any decent job at this point. He doesn't want to go out like he's going out.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 8:53 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:31 am to WMTigerFAN
I'm leaning toward Miles' reputation among the coaching profession is not as good as everybody thinks.
But at the same time, his media reputation is fantastic
No athletic director or group of assistant coaches want to buy into a stubborn arse who is unwilling to change.
The only reason it was able to work at LSU is because we had the money to pay those coaches to deal with it.
Other schools won't be able to pony up that kind of dough
But at the same time, his media reputation is fantastic
No athletic director or group of assistant coaches want to buy into a stubborn arse who is unwilling to change.
The only reason it was able to work at LSU is because we had the money to pay those coaches to deal with it.
Other schools won't be able to pony up that kind of dough
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:35 am to Stephen1979
:rotfl:
Posted on 1/14/17 at 9:54 am to tduecen
Lol
You can't argue any of what I said. And with each job getting filled by someone not named Les miles, it would appear people making the decisions aren't laughing with you. They're laughing at you
You can't argue any of what I said. And with each job getting filled by someone not named Les miles, it would appear people making the decisions aren't laughing with you. They're laughing at you
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:02 am to Stephen1979
Actually it is easy to argue but what is the point, your disdain for Les Miles is evident. You refuse to credit him for what he did and accomplished. In your eyes he road the coattails of Nick Saban, forget that he actually accomplished more than Saban did and made LSU into a true National power. He was goofy which means he is dumb.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:06 am to tduecen
Come on man. I said he had 3 great seasons. Then one in 2011. He had some good years and some average years. The last few we were not heading in the right direction. Those are facts. I didn't say anything about saban. I spoke to results. Not sure why you'd be so sensitive about the timing of miles most successful years here. They happened to be 2005-2007. Throw in 2011. Everything else was not championship caliber football
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:16 am to Stephen1979
3 great seasons 
2005,2006,2007,2011, and 2012 were all "great" years as LSU performed well and finished highly ranked (2012 losing the bowl game hurt)
LSU was a 9 win team last (possible 10 with the cancelled game) yet they were trending downward....
But hey, things don't always got the narrative we want so we ignore.
Did LSU has bad years in 08/09 yes they did as LSU lost RP and were forced to play players not ready, then again in 2014 where LSU was trying to figure out the QB situation. Those were poor year based in the standards he had set before.
Talking points for people:
- Les Miles stuck with "friends" forget the fact he changed OC and DC when things got stale and those hires at the time were praised. He stayed with "friends" and refused to make changes. Sure Steele, Crowton, Stud, and others disagree.
-He failed to recruit depth forget the fact these classes brought in talent at QB and other positions and players transferred or didn't pan out. But because a player didn't pan out it means he didn't have depth. Even though the players at the position were all 3* or higher they were not "studs."
- He is stupid, forget he rebuilt Oklahoma State and earned an economics degree from Michigan, forget his success. He was stubborn (I say proud like a lot of coaches) and he ate grass so he was stupid. He also gave quotes that were goofy so obviously stupid.
But hey... He is gone and LSU "struggled" to maintain what he had previously done. Plus so much Alabama envy on this board and live for Saban that any coach is going to get raked through the coals.
2005,2006,2007,2011, and 2012 were all "great" years as LSU performed well and finished highly ranked (2012 losing the bowl game hurt)
LSU was a 9 win team last (possible 10 with the cancelled game) yet they were trending downward....
But hey, things don't always got the narrative we want so we ignore.
Did LSU has bad years in 08/09 yes they did as LSU lost RP and were forced to play players not ready, then again in 2014 where LSU was trying to figure out the QB situation. Those were poor year based in the standards he had set before.
Talking points for people:
- Les Miles stuck with "friends" forget the fact he changed OC and DC when things got stale and those hires at the time were praised. He stayed with "friends" and refused to make changes. Sure Steele, Crowton, Stud, and others disagree.
-He failed to recruit depth forget the fact these classes brought in talent at QB and other positions and players transferred or didn't pan out. But because a player didn't pan out it means he didn't have depth. Even though the players at the position were all 3* or higher they were not "studs."
- He is stupid, forget he rebuilt Oklahoma State and earned an economics degree from Michigan, forget his success. He was stubborn (I say proud like a lot of coaches) and he ate grass so he was stupid. He also gave quotes that were goofy so obviously stupid.
But hey... He is gone and LSU "struggled" to maintain what he had previously done. Plus so much Alabama envy on this board and live for Saban that any coach is going to get raked through the coals.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:17 am to WMTigerFAN
He isn't good at anything except recruiting, and then we don't even know if he's good at that because LSU largely recruits itself.
He's just too old school. Doesn't fit modern football.
He's just too old school. Doesn't fit modern football.
Posted on 1/14/17 at 10:27 am to tduecen
And yet he refused to change the offense. When everyone around him, including other coaches were frustrated with it being so stale. That was literally all he had to do. He chose not to. That's on him.
As far as struggling to maintain what he had done?? Orgeron is doing fine. Next year will be the first year post Les miles, so I'm not sure how you can predict the future, but I'm envious. We will see how we do after Miles , but it was obvious changes needed to be made. He refused and he chose that outcome.
I don't think he's stupid at all. He's parlayed very average coaching ability into a very lucrative career. He's done well for himself. Truth is, if he'd gone out and hired someone to modernize the offense, i would have been perfectly happy with keeping him. I wanted the guy to finish out here on a good note bc yes he did have a good bit of success. Why he flat out refused to do what needed to done is something many of us will likely never understand. It was pretty selfish to put his friendship ahead of the program, but that's what he did.
As far as struggling to maintain what he had done?? Orgeron is doing fine. Next year will be the first year post Les miles, so I'm not sure how you can predict the future, but I'm envious. We will see how we do after Miles , but it was obvious changes needed to be made. He refused and he chose that outcome.
I don't think he's stupid at all. He's parlayed very average coaching ability into a very lucrative career. He's done well for himself. Truth is, if he'd gone out and hired someone to modernize the offense, i would have been perfectly happy with keeping him. I wanted the guy to finish out here on a good note bc yes he did have a good bit of success. Why he flat out refused to do what needed to done is something many of us will likely never understand. It was pretty selfish to put his friendship ahead of the program, but that's what he did.
This post was edited on 1/14/17 at 10:33 am
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