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re: How many rings before LSU is considered a blue blood?
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:12 pm to BlackAngus
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:12 pm to BlackAngus
When is the last time a true blue blood went 11-11?
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Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:57 pm to TheTexasTiger7
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I mean hell, you could make a case for us having the second best program in the nation for the last 2 decades now.
There is no case. LSU is unequivocally the 2nd best program since 2000.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:09 pm to jvilardo
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The 1990's say hello.
Every school goes through "The 1990's" every so often.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:26 pm to BlackAngus
According to Wikipedia (no link)
Each SEC school claims the following national titles:
Alabama - 18
Tennessee - 6
LSU - 4
Texas A&M - 3
Ole Miss - 3
Florida - 3
Auburn - 2
Georgia - 2
Arkansas - 1
Kentucky -1
Missouri - 0
Mississippi State - 0
Vanderbilt - 0
South Carolina - 0
Incoming
Texas - 4
Oklahoma - 7
So I think 4-5 more should get us up there in consideration.
Each SEC school claims the following national titles:
Alabama - 18
Tennessee - 6
LSU - 4
Texas A&M - 3
Ole Miss - 3
Florida - 3
Auburn - 2
Georgia - 2
Arkansas - 1
Kentucky -1
Missouri - 0
Mississippi State - 0
Vanderbilt - 0
South Carolina - 0
Incoming
Texas - 4
Oklahoma - 7
So I think 4-5 more should get us up there in consideration.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:39 pm to BlackAngus
LSU is. Period. End of story. Anyone that says otherwise is just dumb.
LSU is a top 5 job and probably a top 2 job. Few if any place can offer what LSU can if it has the right leadership in place.
LSU is a top 5 job and probably a top 2 job. Few if any place can offer what LSU can if it has the right leadership in place.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:40 pm to CDawson
Exactly, LSU is already a blue blood. Pretty much thanks to Saban
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:42 pm to BlackAngus
quote:Never
How many rings before LSU is considered a blue blood?
quote:That's kinda the definition of 'blue blood'.
Who cares about dynasties 80 years ago?
Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Alabama, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas... I'd say that's it. And honestly I'm a bit hesitant on Texas.
Miami and Florida State were New Money.
Clemson, Washington, the rest of the Big Six (LSU, UGA, Auburn, Tennessee, and to a lesser extent Florida), and probably Arkansas, A&M and Penn State, were at the tier below the Blue Bloods, always capable of beating them in games but usually not catching them in stature.
And so the world went...
until the BCS came into play. Suddenly you started pairing the best teams overall instead of teams being locked into set games, and the SEC emerged. And it was the Big Six nature that propelled the SEC to the top; Tennesee challenged Florida, Georgia joined in the fight in the East. Tuberville initially elevated Auburn in the West, then Saban came and LSU and Auburn went to war. Whoever emerged from that pack was both elite, and had faced 1-2 teams as good as anyone, before playing a bowl.
We at LSU are part of the new standard, but that will never make us blue bloods.
Blue bloods are like the House of Lords over in Britain. We're more like the industrial giants of the 20th century. More wealthy and powerful, but lacking the heritage.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 11:47 pm to BlackAngus
LSU has an argument for Blue Blood. Many would probably say we're not but LSU fits the criteria for one. Been winning for 20+ years, 4 NC appearances, 3 titles, NFL factory machine, etc. The only huge knock may be inconsistency in win streaks. We were pretty good with this under Miles/Saban but the last years of Miles we were mediocre and obviously past 2 with O. That would be the only knock on LSU as a BB.
We're more BB than the BBs in the past though...like USC who I personally don't think is a BB anymore. They haven't been relevant since Pete Carrol. Nebraska, USC, etc. no longer BBs. Texas may not even be a BB anymore they haven't been relevant for like 15 years. You don't have to sustain 40 years of dominance for BB status. It's a decade or 2 of consistency between winning, titles, prestige factor, how many players go to NFL, heisman trophies, etc.
We're more BB than the BBs in the past though...like USC who I personally don't think is a BB anymore. They haven't been relevant since Pete Carrol. Nebraska, USC, etc. no longer BBs. Texas may not even be a BB anymore they haven't been relevant for like 15 years. You don't have to sustain 40 years of dominance for BB status. It's a decade or 2 of consistency between winning, titles, prestige factor, how many players go to NFL, heisman trophies, etc.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 11:51 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:05 am to BlackAngus
Just ignore the term. It'll never be anybody but the "canonical 8" of Alabama, Texas, USC, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, and Nebraska. The point of the term is that they're the old money of college football. You'll also notice that it really doesn't mean anything because one of them is actively terrible (Nebraska), another four have had extended rough stretches this century (Texas, USC, Notre Dame, and Michigan), two of them couldn't stop their coaches from being poached (you know the two), and another had their coach poached by someone that isn't even a blue blood (Notre Dame). I was also being generous by not including Bama in the extended rough patch stretch. Shula was bad and the two before him weren't exactly world beaters either. Ohio State and Oklahoma are the only two that have been consistently good this century, and OU got lucky in that they had a bad 90s that I'm not considering.
The biggest flaw with the term imo is that when you look into the history of those blue bloods, it's almost universally just one or two elite coaches that had a really long tenure that got them the status.
LSU is a "new blood" along with teams like Florida, Florida State, Penn State, etc.
The biggest flaw with the term imo is that when you look into the history of those blue bloods, it's almost universally just one or two elite coaches that had a really long tenure that got them the status.
LSU is a "new blood" along with teams like Florida, Florida State, Penn State, etc.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:07 am to BlackAngus
LSU will never be a blue blood. However, it is of no concern for me.
Just win championships, the labels will take care of themselves.
Just win championships, the labels will take care of themselves.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 1:59 am to cj35
You never know, grown men may be arguing on a message board in 2071 that consider lsu a blue blood
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:37 am to Flyingtiger82
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LSU - 4
I'm still waiting for the flag for 1908.
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Texas A&M - 3
But none after World War 2.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:38 am to BlackAngus
When a top flight coach leaves Notre Dame to come to LSU, is]d say we are already a blue blood.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:27 am to BlackAngus
It isn't in ESPN's best interest to have another "blue blood" in the SEC West.
Thus the reason you see so much pushback on this hire.
A coach with an IQ above 10 can win here. The media knows this. This worries them. They have too much invested in another team now to allow this to happen.
Thus the reason you see so much pushback on this hire.
A coach with an IQ above 10 can win here. The media knows this. This worries them. They have too much invested in another team now to allow this to happen.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:22 am to BlackAngus
We are one now.
We have the old history and the new history.
Who else can say it?
We have the old history and the new history.
Who else can say it?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:25 am to BlackAngus
Considered by whom?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:30 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
I didn’t count any “unclaimed” titles. It’s strange to imagine a time in life where football was just a sport taken on a game-by-game basis. It is so odd for us to conceptualize no one wanting to keep playing until there was only one team left.
Even in my lifetime as a kid I would get so frustrated seeing a #1 playing in the Rose Bowl and a #2 and #4 playing in the Orange while a #3 plays an unranked in Sugar or Cotton. Even before that the Champions were named BEFORE the bowl games.
And to think until the BCS all “National Championships” were subjectively determined by sportswriters or coaches in a poll.
Even in my lifetime as a kid I would get so frustrated seeing a #1 playing in the Rose Bowl and a #2 and #4 playing in the Orange while a #3 plays an unranked in Sugar or Cotton. Even before that the Champions were named BEFORE the bowl games.
And to think until the BCS all “National Championships” were subjectively determined by sportswriters or coaches in a poll.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 8:59 pm to SportTiger1
But I hear the world is ending soon. Therefore it is of no consequence.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:02 pm to BlackAngus
Just here to post that LSU has more championships since 1970 than Ohio St
Posted on 12/3/21 at 9:04 pm to cj35
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But I hear the world is ending soon. Therefore it is of no consequence.
What now?
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