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re: Fuente: "Pass to score and run to win"....what does that mean?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 4:58 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 1/14/11 at 4:58 pm to Willie Stroker
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But doesn't this just mean good execution of a conventional offense? It says nothing about the various schemes run. No strategy about route design. Any conventional offense attempts to do all that in your quote. Nothing unique about it.
Im sure it is all outlined in a very detailed manner by those that use this philosophy but the OP's question seemed to want an explanation as to what the phrase meant. That was given. Variations on who/how it's implemented would require talking to coordinators that follow it.
Think of it like the title of a book. It gives you some idea of what it's about but you have to read it to get the details.
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If you saw a team execute poorly under this philosophy, I can't imagine there would be any tendencies you would notice where you would tell yourself it's a pass to score, run to win offense that is just being executed poorly.
Im sure you could. Most offenses are a variation of this, the exceptions would be Leach at TT. Or any variation where the passing game completely overwhelms the run game.
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that running the ball well opens up the passing game
This was the point of the phrase, nothing more.
The running game is the foundation of the approach. Succeed at running the ball and you can pass for the big plays.
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 7:18 pm to tigerbait98
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Pass to score refers to setting up the opposing D for play action, Running to win refers to controlling the game once you have a lead.
Precisely
Not exactly.
For the record - I graduated from TCU in '96 and I'm an enthusiastic Frog Football Fan.
TCU runs what they call a "spread multiple" offense. They do kinda what the Saints do by initially scripting to cause confusion by using a LOT of formations.... QB under Center, Pistol, Shotgun, Diamond, etc...
THEY ARE A RUN FIRST OFFENSE.
Their backs and receivers are SEC caliber. They use their speed and motion to spread the opposing D and create space for an extremely versatile running attack. They start out using the short passing game as an extension of their ground attack... LOVE their bubble screens and wheel routes to get their play-makers open on the edges. After they establish their dominance on the line and smack the opposing D in the mouth a few times - They use double moves to make the CBs look stupid or slant-and-go between the Safeties.
Run first... multiple looks... read/react if the QB has wheels... pound it... set up the play action/flea-flicker/HB pass... spread the field for more running. Game Over.
Check out their stats for this season. They've got a 1000-yd RB, a 725-yd RB, and 2 others over 500 (one of which is the QB).
Rushing TDs - 41
Passing TDs - 29
ETA:
grammar fix
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 8:46 pm to yurintroubl
Excellent report
Posted on 1/14/11 at 9:48 pm to SpqrTiger
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This is what it means:
Pass to set up the run.
Score points.
Run to finish off the opponent.
It's about ball control.
That statement could be interpreted in a number of ways.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 10:18 pm to WHATDOINO
i like the way Fuente talks
Posted on 1/14/11 at 10:30 pm to WHATDOINO
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This is what it means:
Pass to set up the run.
Score points.
Run to finish off the opponent.
It's about ball control.
That statement could be interpreted in a number of ways.
I only count 2:
Incorrect is in bold
Over-simplified is in italics
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:03 am to Willie Stroker
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"Pass to score" meaning long scores or significant gains will be via passing.
THIS
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"Run to win" meaning run the ball well, dominate the LOS, control the clock
THIS
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:57 am to Lester Earl
i like the way Fuente talks, too.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:07 am to BRtoATL
So it really could mean anything, but one thing it doesn't mean is a short passing game.
It reminds me of Jordy Hultberg's "Keys to the V" that he would "analyze" prior to LSU games when he was sportscaster. The basic message was always have a strong running game, an effective passing game, solid defense, and limit turnovers. It was always the same thing every team tries to do, but often worded differently: dominate the line of scrimmage, control the line of scrimmage, open up holes for the running game, or keep the opponent out of the backfield. All mean the same thing - and every single team playing the game tries to do it.
I also never understood the wisdom of "keeping the other team off the field". Am I wrong for thinking that you will always have 11 guys on the field for every play? So if your strategy is to wear down the other team, aren't you also simultaneously wearing down your own, while the other 11 players on both teams are resting up? Just seems like another round of stupid things football minds say without thinking about the meaning behind it.
It reminds me of Jordy Hultberg's "Keys to the V" that he would "analyze" prior to LSU games when he was sportscaster. The basic message was always have a strong running game, an effective passing game, solid defense, and limit turnovers. It was always the same thing every team tries to do, but often worded differently: dominate the line of scrimmage, control the line of scrimmage, open up holes for the running game, or keep the opponent out of the backfield. All mean the same thing - and every single team playing the game tries to do it.
I also never understood the wisdom of "keeping the other team off the field". Am I wrong for thinking that you will always have 11 guys on the field for every play? So if your strategy is to wear down the other team, aren't you also simultaneously wearing down your own, while the other 11 players on both teams are resting up? Just seems like another round of stupid things football minds say without thinking about the meaning behind it.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 9:40 am to Willie Stroker
It's about keeping the other teams offense off the field
Posted on 1/15/11 at 10:21 am to Willie Stroker
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Fuente: "Pass to score and run to win"....what does that mean?
My interpretation of this quote is offenses like Sean Payton, Bill Belichek, Bill Walsh...the "west coast type offense". An offense where the short pass is equivalent to the run. The QB gets the ball to the RBs (a la Pierre Thomas, Roger Craig for example) and WRs (a la Wes Welker, Lance Moore for example) on short routes in open spaces. In order for this to work the QB needs to look down field first and take shots every once in a while. This is usually the game plan during the first 2.5 quarters. Around the middle of the 3rd quarter is when you hit the play action, draw plays, counters, and straight up runs more frequently. The philosophy is that by the middle of the third quarter you should have the defensive LBs and safeties flat footed.
This is a different offensive philosophy than run first type offense where your featuring only one or two backs.
In a Fuente type offense Jarvis Landry, Russel Shepard and our TEs will absolutely tear it up assuming we have a QB that can go through his progressions effectively. JJ has not proven he has that capability as of yet. Let's hope Mett does or JJ acquires it if Fuente is hired.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:26 pm to Willie Stroker
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So it really could mean anything, but one thing it doesn't mean is a short passing game.
You need to re-read my 1st post on this page.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:36 pm to yurintroubl
Posted on 1/15/11 at 2:43 pm to Willie Stroker
Pass to get ahead, run to wear down the clock/opponent in 4th quarter.
Posted on 1/15/11 at 4:04 pm to TheDoc
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It's about keeping the other teams offense off the field
Football 101
Posted on 1/15/11 at 4:11 pm to OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Football 101
I'd agree. It's not about who can throw for the most yards or throw for the most td's..
It's about who can dominate the LOS and move the chains consistently churning out 1st downs..
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:10 pm to TheDoc
It means that his offense is going to kick your rear in the air and on the ground and therenis nothing you can do to stop it. Win baby win!
Posted on 1/15/11 at 8:39 pm to Willie Stroker
watch the arkansas game vs LSU this year...it's petrinos philosophy and that game exemplified the philosophy.
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