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re: Fuente: "Pass to score and run to win"....what does that mean?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:17 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:17 pm to Willie Stroker
pass early
run late after your ahead by 20
really that hard to understand?
run late after your ahead by 20
really that hard to understand?
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:20 pm to hojo
quote:you would think this would be a perfect match w/ LM
600 rushing attempts to roughly 331 passing attempts.
On paper this appears to be a ball control spread with the ability to pass set up by and primarily dependant on a dominant run game.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:28 pm to Books
Good stat sheet but we don't know how these stats played out if it was pass to set up run or vice versa....Try again.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:32 pm to 5Alive
Really? Really? 46 rush attempts per game and you don't know which one set up which? You can't be this dense.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:35 pm to 5Alive
quote:
Good stat sheet but we don't know how these stats played out if it was pass to set up run or vice versa....Try again.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:36 pm to hojo
quote:
Really? Really? 43 rush attempts per game and you don't know which one set up which? You can't be this dense.
Believe me he is this dense.
Ive explained it over and over again and others have cited the philosophy used by others.
Some just dont get it
Posted on 1/14/11 at 1:56 pm to tigerbait98
I just went and looked at every game this yr that they played against that piss poor schedule. The fact that they only throw the ball about 23 times a game supports my theory of throwing to set up the run.(yes u will look at it ur way but what teams runs the ball 54 times a game, you only see this when th team is trying to run out the clock and RUN TO WIN)Short high percentage passes to soften up then hit em with that read option. If you watched the Rose Bowl this is what they did with moderate success.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:09 pm to 5Alive
TCU's top two receivers combined for 90 receptinons. Their top two rushers combined for 314 rushing attempts. And your brilliant theory is that these were primarily "garbage time" carries? You really are sticking with this, aren't you? God speed, my friend, god speed.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:11 pm to tigerbait98
quote:I'm liking this philosophy!
We ran the ball well, dominated the LOS, controlled the clock, drew in the safeties on the play action, hit the big plays over the top.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:16 pm to 5Alive
quote:
The fact that they only throw the ball about 23 times a game supports my theory of throwing to set up the run
Or it supports the fact that in many games TCU had so dominated the opponent that from the mid thrid quater on GP only ran the ball instead of "running up the score" on lesser opponents.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:18 pm to Bleeding purple
Thank ya
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:19 pm to Bleeding purple
Thank ya
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:19 pm to 5Alive
quote:
delarge05
ok, 1st down run or pass from one of their closer games this year against San Diego St.
1st Q
1st and 10 at TCU 26 Jeremy Kerley rush for a loss of 2 yards to the TCU 24.
1st and 15 at TCU 15 Matthew Tucker rush for no gain to the TCU 15.
1st and 10 at TCU 8 Waymon James rush for a loss of 2 yards, fumbled, recovered by TCU Andy Dalton at the TCU 6.
1st and 10 at TCU 20 Andy Dalton pass complete to Jeremy Kerley for 5 yards to the TCU 25.
1st and 15 at TCU 26 Andy Dalton pass complete to Bart Johnson for 14 yards to the TCU 40.
1st and 10 at TCU 45 Andy Dalton pass incomplete.
1st and 10 at SDSU 43 Waymon James rush for 1 yard to the SDSt 42.
1st and 10 at SDSU 40 Ed Wesley rush for no gain to the SDSt 40.
1st and 10 at SDSU 28 Waymon James rush for no gain to the SDSt 28.
1st and 10 at SDSU 15 Andy Dalton pass complete to Logan Brock for 15 yards for a TOUCHDOWN.
2nd Q
1st and 10 at TCU 33 Waymon James rush for 4 yards to the TCU 37.
1st and 5 at SDSU 43 Andy Dalton pass complete to Jimmy Young for 10 yards to the SDSt 33 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at SDSU 33 Waymon James rush for no gain to the SDSt 33.
1st and 10 at TCU 37 Matthew Tucker rush for 7 yards to the TCU 44.
1st and 10 at SDSU 42 Matthew Tucker rush for 5 yards to the SDSt 37.
1st and 10 at SDSU 18 Waymon James rush for 9 yards to the SDSt 9.
1st and 10 at TCU 27 Waymon James rush for 28 yards to the SDSt 30, SAN DIEGO ST penalty 15 yard Personal Foul accepted for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at SDSU 30 Andy Dalton pass incomplete.
1st and 10 at SDSU 16 Andy Dalton pass complete to Jimmy Young for 7 yards to the SDSt 9.
1st and 10 at TCU 40 Andy Dalton pass complete to Jimmy Young for 14 yards to the SDSt 46 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at SDSU 46 Andy Dalton pass incomplete.
1st and 10 at SDSU 11 Andy Dalton pass complete to Jeremy Kerley for 7 yards to the SDSt 4.
3Q
1st and 10 at TCU 48 Matthew Tucker rush for 7 yards to the SDSt 45.
1st and 10 at SDSU 35 Andy Dalton rush for 2 yards to the SDSt 33.
1st and 10 at SDSU 21 Matthew Tucker rush for no gain to the SDSt 21.
1st and 10 at TCU 49 Waymon James rush for 7 yards to the SDSt 44.
1st and 10 at SDSU 31 Matthew Tucker rush for 18 yards to the SDSt 13 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at SDSU 13 Andy Dalton pass incomplete.
1st and 10 at TCU 35 Waymon James rush for 3 yards to the TCU 38.
1st and 10 at TCU 33 Matthew Tucker rush for a loss of 2 yards to the TCU 31.
4Q
1st and 10 at SDSU 12 Matthew Tucker rush for 7 yards to the SDSt 5.
1st and 10 at SDSU 29 Matthew Tucker rush for 7 yards to the SDSt 22.
1st and 10 at SDSU 14 Waymon James rush for 1 yard to the SDSt 13.
1st and 10 at TCU 9 Matthew Tucker rush for 4 yards to the TCU 13.
1st and 10 at TCU 45 Waymon James rush for 5 yards to the 50 yard line.
1st and 10 at SDSU 44 Matthew Tucker rush for no gain to the SDSt 44.
1st and 10 at SDSU 33 Matthew Tucker rush for 3 yards to the SDSt 30
22 rush on first down 11 pass
TCU wins 40-35
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:27 pm to Books
quote:
Books
That link you posted, go to it, click on passing statistics and then sort by sacks allowed.
Find TCU.
Pretty impressive.
Also sort by QB rating and find TCU. Not bad.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:35 pm to OldIowaTiger
Run to set up the pass. Boom.
"Pass to score" meaning long scores or significant gains will be via passing.
"Run to win" meaning those scores or gains will be long because the defense is drawn in by running.
"Pass to score" meaning long scores or significant gains will be via passing.
"Run to win" meaning those scores or gains will be long because the defense is drawn in by running.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:36 pm to colorchangintiger
quote:
colorchangintiger
he cant keep from failing, can he?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 2:57 pm to tigerbait98
You win buddy. You will cut it your way and i will cut it mine.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 3:01 pm to 5Alive
quote:
You win buddy. You will cut it the way it is and i will cut it mine.
FIFY
Go look at those stats by colorchangintiger and dispute them.
They show unequivocally that the run is used to set up the pass. It's not even up for debate.
Leach is a great example of passing to set up the run. Not TCU and Fuente.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 4:19 pm to tigerbait98
One game......one game really....ur sample population is horrible.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 4:49 pm to tigerbait98
quote:
We ran the ball well, dominated the LOS, controlled the clock, drew in the safeties on the play action, hit the big plays over the top.
But doesn't this just mean good execution of a conventional offense? It says nothing about the various schemes run. No strategy about route design. Any conventional offense attempts to do all that in your quote. Nothing unique about it.
If you saw a team execute poorly under this philosophy, I can't imagine there would be any tendencies you would notice where you would tell yourself it's a pass to score, run to win offense that is just being executed poorly.
I'm sure he's a great coordinator and I'd love to him here, but the phrase just strikes me as b.s. we say to sound like we know what we're talking about. Just seems to be a slogan that doesn't really mean anything since it is common knowledge that running the ball well opens up the passing game, and passing the ball well opens up the running game.
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