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re: FACTS: LSU v Houston
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:24 pm to Tiger Ree
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:24 pm to Tiger Ree
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And this guy should lead the LSU program program?
he's one candidate, yes.
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A program who fired a coach who lost three games last year in the SEC and to two top 10 teams this year?
that you constantly look only at short term results is why your arguments are stupid and irrational.
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He's not playing against SEC teams.
nope and he's not coaching an SEC team either. That you don't grasp this is stunning.
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He is playing against teams who don't have the talent he does
yes, actually he is coaching against teams in his peer group, that's yet another point you can't seem to grasp because you are too hung up on the names on the schedule.
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Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:26 pm to Tiger Ree
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WTF does UAB have to do with anything? LSU losing to UAB in Saban's first year before he had his players and system installed, should in NO way be compared to Herman losing to SMU while gaining 303 total offensive yards in his second season.
So to get this straight, pointing out Herman losing to "shite" teams in his second year with Houston (when he doesn't have HIS players and HIS system in place) is relevant, but Saban's loss to UAB isn't...
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Ree
quote:Keep in mind he's only in his second year. The classes before he got there were pretty terrible. The class he has going for 2017 is the big class.
He's not playing against SEC teams. He is playing against teams who don't have the talent he does.
However I do agree that he should have beaten both of the teams he lost to. Especially SMU. But he's also beaten 5 ranked teams in 1 1/2 years. We have to give him credit for that considering where he is.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:29 pm to Tiger Ree
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It's already guaranteed to be worse than last year's season.
Now try reading what I posted again:
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And yet, despite all this, they are still on track for one of their best seasons in 25 years.
And that is because last year was their best season in 25 years....
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I'm not watching Cougar High play football. Unless they are on Thursday or Friday night when there is no better games on. I don't watch Connecticut or Tulsa play either.
So you're uniformed
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I can't even remember right now, but either Briles or Sumlin was also 13-1. I think it was Sumlin. So yes it is arguable at best.
They had the same record; however, 2015 clearly over 2011.
1) They won their conference, unlike in 2011 where they lost to USM, at home, in their conference championship by 21 points.
2) They finished inside the top 10 in 2015, whereas they finished 18th and 14th in 2011.
3) They beat the shite out of FSU in a "BCS" bowl game, which was easily their biggest game in 25 years.
So feel free to argue against it, it would be right up your alley.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:30 pm to Tiger Ree
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but either Briles or Sumlin was also 13-1. I think it was Sumlin. So yes it is arguable at best.
Sumlin lost the CCG that year and a berth in a BCS Bowl. Last year they won the conference and a major Bowl. So last season was better.
Briles best year was 10-4. He followed that up with an 8-4 and then took the Baylor job, where he turned arguably the worst program in a major (BCS/P5 conference) into a top 10 program, so there is an example of a UH coach, having a "worse" season after his best that went on to be very successful at a bigger school.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:33 pm to abellsujr
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Try not to manipulate information to your favor. Like "In the last 4 games" but at the same time ignoring the rest of his record.
So his last four games don't matter. Okay, hope LSU hires him. He did good last year when coaching what was totally someone else's program.
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Acknowledge your guys failures and the other guy's accomplishments.
I don't have a guy. Are you upset I have mentioned Herman's failures?
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By failing to do all or even one of these thing, you pretty much ruin your points.
And somehow this wipes out the fact that Herman has lost two of his last four games? Gained 303 total yards against SMU and lost? Will lose at least one and probably two more games this year?
If people are indifferent to that, nothing I say matters anyway. Herman can tank his team worse than he has already done and people on this board will still want him to lead the LSU program.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:38 pm to abellsujr
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He also brought Houston recruiting from the 80s and 90s in rankings to the 20s.
Dude, this is straight up false. I'm all for Herman, however you need to bring reality to the discussion.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:41 pm to Tiger Ree
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nothing I say matters
Agreed!
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:43 pm to Tiger Ree
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Tiger Ree
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nothing I say matters anyway.
Until that.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:43 pm to Tiger Ree
Well, see now you just broke all of the guidelines with every single one of your responses in that post.
I've acknowledged that he should have won the two games he lost. You've been given a number of reasons why we think he still should be a candidate. If you don't accept that, then I don't know what to tell you.
I've acknowledged that he should have won the two games he lost. You've been given a number of reasons why we think he still should be a candidate. If you don't accept that, then I don't know what to tell you.
quote:See, now you're lying. That's another thing that will make your points irrelevant.
I don't have a guy.
quote:Of course not. Why would I be? I enjoy having discussions about these things.
Are you upset I have mentioned Herman's failures?
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:46 pm to Tiger Tracker
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They believe you must be a troll because no one could really be this stupid.
Stupid is wanting to hire a guy to lead the LSU program who has been a head coach for less than two years. A guy whose program has gone to shite the last four games.
It is NOT stupid questioning a coach who with much more talent lost to Navy and SMU. It is NOT stupid questioning a coach who has struggled tremendously against Tulsa and UCF when is team is more talented.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:51 pm to MardiGrasCajun
quote:Are you sure?
Dude, this is straight up false. I'm all for Herman, however you need to bring reality to the discussion.
2014 rankings #77
2015 rankings #91
2016 rankings #41
2017 current rankings #26
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
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The AAC is a 2nd tier conference RELATIVE to the SEC, that is true. For Houston, it is their level. so how he does there is important
Thank you, my point exactly.
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He's lost 2 games the only place his resume is taking a nose dive is with idiots like you.
So, no worries what-so-ever from you? Losing two games to Navy and SMU and not the least bit of concern?
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Everyone loses to less talented teams at some point
Most don't lose to less talented teams in two of four games. He also struggled in the games he won.
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support a guy that was 10-28 as a HC because that was a long time ago.
I do? I thought what he did the first three weeks was impressive considering the time he took over and what he had to work with. Still more impressive than what Herman has accomplished over the same time span.
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no, the information -your provided is from those sites, you just either don't know how or refuse to learn how to analyze it.
Oh okay, he won against Navy and SMU and had close to 1,000 yards against the Mustangs when they played. I feel better about him now that I realize I don't know how to analyze a team's record or stats.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 4:59 pm to Corksniffer
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but Saban's loss to UAB isn't
I have stated that Saban's loss was in his first season. Herman's was in his second season. Saban improved his second season. Herman, not so much.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:05 pm to Tiger Ree
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It is NOT stupid questioning a coach who with much more talent lost to Navy and SMU. It is NOT stupid questioning a coach who has struggled tremendously against Tulsa and UCF when is team is more talented.
Agreed. However, it IS stupid to ignore any positives about said coach.
I mean the fact you think that people are laughing at you only because you questioned Tom Herman just proves your stupidity. People are laughing at you because you have some personal hatred for Herman that makes it impossible for you to discuss his merits as well as shortcomings.
No one is denying his shortcomings and his risk if hired, but you are the one who can't be objective when looking at his successes like th rest of us.
That's why people are wanting you in banland. They're tired of your ignorant bullshite that contributes zero to this board.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:14 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I mean the fact you think that people are laughing at you only because you questioned Tom Herman just proves your stupidity
I don't think anyone is laughing at me, if they are it is because they are baseless Herman cheerleaders like you and can't handle the truth.
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but you are the one who can't be objective when looking at his successes like th rest of us.
I'll admit that what he did under Urban was impressive. What he did his first year at Houston with another coach's players was also very good. What he has done recently is not very good at all. Do you deny that simple fact that is easily obtained by visiting the ESPN website?
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That's why people are wanting you in banland. They're tired of your ignorant bullshite that contributes zero to this board.
Herman cheerleaders may want me in banland for stating what is happening with Herman's coaching career and team but I don't think a person has ever been banned for doing that. Hell, Chicken himself said he thought O was a better option than Hermster.
If reading the facts I lay out changes only one person's opinion on the one-year-wonder known as Tom Herman it will all be more than worth it.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:17 pm to Tiger Ree
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I don't think anyone is laughing at me,
What do you think
and are for? Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:22 pm to Tiger Ree
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Thank you, my point exactly
you still don't get what I'm saying.
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So, no worries what-so-ever from you? Losing two games to Navy and SMU and not the least bit of concern?
No, losing a game or 2, to teams in your peer group even if they are "less" talented doesn't concern me in the slightest, because i look at the big picture. You are acting like I said Herman is a slam duck, sure-fire, can't miss hire, when i have not. He is one candidate, one I think has the potential to be great but have also said repeatedly that there are no guarantees.
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Most don't lose to less talented teams in two of four games. He also struggled in the games he won.
Over what time period? Coaching what team? See, this again is why your arguments are stupid and irrational. You get hung up on short term, most recent events and meaningless "patterns". Accepting no explanations. You said Fisher was 9-6 in his last 15 games, well so was Urban Meyer his last 15 games at Florida. Should Ohio State not have hired him? Everyone has lost to "lesser" teams. Everyone has won games where they "struggled" even with "lesser" teams (Have you watched LSU over the last decade
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I thought what he did the first three weeks was impressive
This is why you are irrational.
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considering the time he took over and what he had to work with
a roster chalk full of NFL talent?
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Oh okay, he won against Navy and SMU and had close to 1,000 yards against the Mustangs when they played. I feel better about him now that I realize I don't know how to analyze a team's record or stats.
making up stupid strawmen does not indicate you know how to analyze.
That you 3 times in THIS POST only mentioned recent events shows you do not know how to analyze this stuff.
Again, I'm not saying Herman is a can't miss guy, just one with potential. If LSU hires him, I'd be cautiously optimistic. His lack of experience is concerning. But it all depends on who else is actually available and attainable. If its Herman or Ogereon, it is a no brainer for Herman imo.
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:23 pm to Tiger Ree
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I have stated that Saban's loss was in his first season. Herman's was in his second season
You also mentioned UConn which was Herman's first season.
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Saban improved his second season. Herman, not so much.
and he did worse in his 3rd season, so what does that tell you? Well it tells you nothing because it doesn't support your narrative.
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Do you deny that simple fact that is easily obtained by visiting the ESPN website?
its not the facts that are at issue, only your interpretation of said facts.
This post was edited on 11/7/16 at 5:26 pm
Posted on 11/7/16 at 5:30 pm to TigerBait1127
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I'm not watching Cougar High play football. Unless they are on Thursday or Friday night when there is no better games on. I don't watch Connecticut or Tulsa play either.
So you're uniformed
No, I go to the ESPN website and look at all the conference scores on Sunday morning. When I see a ranked team like Houston losing to SMU I check the box-score.
I was thinking damn Houston had five turnovers or 15 penalties. Nope, they gained 303 total yards and SMU beat their arse all over the field. Don't need to watch a game on TV to see that. The numbers explain how a team can suck when they shouldn't.
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