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Crowton's last three years had some bad luck
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:19 am
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:19 am
Ok, hear me out. There is no denying that our offense underachieved mightily the last 3 years under his watch.
However, if you step back and look at the big picture, the last few years have had some bad luck:
(1) Perrilloux getting dismissed prior to '08 season. With RP under center, our offense would've been light years better in '08 and '09. I really think RP would've been an All-SEC caliber QB. He showed flashes of brilliance late in '07.
This would've given Lee and Jefferson much more time to develop, and although it is hard to imagine, one of them would've been a 1st year starter in 2010. I don't think its a stretch to say our offense would've been top-50 in the country with RP, thus the perception of Crowton would be much different. RP's presence probably equals 10+ wins in both '08 and '09.
(2) Long-term attrition along the offensive line lead to poor execution and run blocking in 2009.
(3) Several key injuries at RB in 2009
However, if you step back and look at the big picture, the last few years have had some bad luck:
(1) Perrilloux getting dismissed prior to '08 season. With RP under center, our offense would've been light years better in '08 and '09. I really think RP would've been an All-SEC caliber QB. He showed flashes of brilliance late in '07.
This would've given Lee and Jefferson much more time to develop, and although it is hard to imagine, one of them would've been a 1st year starter in 2010. I don't think its a stretch to say our offense would've been top-50 in the country with RP, thus the perception of Crowton would be much different. RP's presence probably equals 10+ wins in both '08 and '09.
(2) Long-term attrition along the offensive line lead to poor execution and run blocking in 2009.
(3) Several key injuries at RB in 2009
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Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:20 am to TigerWerm
Crowton is not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. He is very experienced and respected by a ton of coaches.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:20 am to TigerWerm
Trindon Holliday as a WR in a 5 WR set. No excuse for that.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:21 am to TigerWerm
You make your own luck.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:23 am to TigerWerm
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(2) Long-term attrition along the offensive line lead to poor execution and run blocking in 2009.
this is a myth
what losses in attrition would have possibly started in 2009 OTHER than somebody at LG?
LT: black (returning starter)
LG: open
OC: hebert (anointed OC of future. we only recruited 1 other, PJ, who was on the team)
RG: hitt (returning starter)
RT: barksdale (returning starter)
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:25 am to TigerWerm
If Perrilloux is/was as good as everyone thought, he would've been here for 2008 and then bolted, stuck with the same problem. Jefferson/Lee proved this year even as upperclassmen the offense would still suck with them. If anything, if Perrilloux had stayed we might think this year of shitty offense would've been a mirage and kept GC for even longer.
our offense sucked before those injuries
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3) Several key injuries at RB in 2009
our offense sucked before those injuries
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:30 am to josh336
Crowton my be OK in HIS SYSTEM, but did not show that he could take the talent which an individual player has and adapt it/develop it.
GREAT coaches understand and adapt game plans to maximize the abilities of a QB (players)..you can not expect a QB/players to do that they can simply not do.
It's like banging your head against the wall and expecting that the wall gives.
GREAT coaches understand and adapt game plans to maximize the abilities of a QB (players)..you can not expect a QB/players to do that they can simply not do.
It's like banging your head against the wall and expecting that the wall gives.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:32 am to rbdallas
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GREAT coaches understand and adapt game plans to maximize the abilities of a QB (players)..you can not expect a QB/players to do that they can simply not do.
the ultimate fail, in this regard with crowton, was trying to mold JJ into a running QB
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Exact opposite.
The problem was trying to make JJ into a pocket passer.
The only thing he does well is run with the ball.
The problem was trying to make JJ into a pocket passer.
The only thing he does well is run with the ball.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:45 am to islstl
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The only thing he does well is run with the ball.
To clarify, he was good when he ran on non-called running plays. When the play was to call his own number on an option or read option, he sucked.
For some reason beyond me, no one on the offensive staff, Crowton included, could teach Jefferson how to appropriately run an option.
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 11:46 am
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:45 am to islstl
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The problem was trying to make JJ into a pocket passer.
The only thing he does well is run with the ball.
JJ is fast, but he is not a runner and is even worse at being an option QB
JJ was a pocket passer his entire life before LSU. LSU has tried to make him into a running QB, and he finally showed some improvement the 2nd half of 2010 (but he still wasn't a good runner)
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:48 am to islstl
He threw some pretty good looking passes in the cotton bowl so running isn't the only thing he does well. RP was MVP of SEC championship game and his departure def hurt. I don't think anyone can really debate that. Losing guys like Blackwell on first play of this season hurt pretty good too. Crowton did have some bad luck for sure. As far as making your own luck, we went 11-2 so he made some of that as well. I wish him the best, hopefully we can get someone good to replace him.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:48 am to josh336
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or some reason beyond me, no one on the offensive staff, Crowton included, could teach Jefferson how to appropriately run an option.
To be fair, he got much better at this later in the season.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:49 am to josh336
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When the play was to call his own number on an option or read option, he sucked.
Busted a 70 yarder vs. Tennessee.
Ran the same play the week prior for a 19 yard (TD, I believe).
He did well when he called his own number and ran DOWNHILL.
Where he struggled was trying to run classic option out wide.
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:49 am to TigerNutwhack
yeah it only took 3.5 years to teach JJ how to run at a mediocre level
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:51 am to OBUDan
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Busted a 70 yarder vs. Tennessee.
there pretty much was nobody in front of him, and nobody has ever said he's not fast for a QB
quote:
He did well when he called his own number and ran DOWNHILL.
there were plenty of zone-reads where he f'd it up. we just don't remember them b/c they weren't memorable
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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yeah it only took 3.5 years to teach JJ how to run at a mediocre level
I'm not saying he ran it well, just better
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:52 am to TigerWerm
quote:Let's look at the even bigger picture:
However, if you step back and look at the big picture
Chicago Bears
1998: #21 in total offense (before Crowton)
1999: #8 in total offense
2000: #23 in total offense - changed QBs from Shane Matthews to Cade McNown
2001: #26 in total offense (after Crowton)
BYU under Gary Crowton:
2000: #55 in total offense (before Crowton)
2001: #1 in total offense
2002: #50 in total offense
2003: #102 in total offense
2004: #48 in total offense
2005: #13 in total offense (after Crowton)
Oregon under Crowton:
2004: #37 in total offense (before Crowton)
2005: #18 in total offense
2006: #9 in total offense
2007: #10 in total offense (after Crowton)
LSU:
2006: #11 in total offense (before Crowton
2007: #26 in total offense
2008: #55 in total offense
2009: #112 in total offense
2010: #86 in total offense
2011: ? (after Crowton)
History speaks for itself. Anywhere Crowton has been over 2 years, the offense declines: BYU, Chicago, and LSU. He never had to develop a QB (Dennis Dixon was a grayshirt in 2003 and played in 2004 under the previous OC) at Oregon, which is why I think he was able to maintain his success there.
I think Crowton is a good OC, but a terrible developer of QBs.
quote:Other teams are able to at least manage after losing a sophmore from the team. It shouldn't take 3 years and still have zero offense. The problem is lack of development of the a 5* (Shepard), 2 other 4* (Lee and Jefferson), and a 3* (Garrett).
Perrilloux getting dismissed prior to '08 season.
quote:So what was the problem in 2008 and 2010?
Long-term attrition along the offensive line lead to poor execution and run blocking in 2009.
quote:So what was the problem in 2008 and 2010?
Several key injuries at RB in 2009
This post was edited on 1/14/11 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:52 am to TigerWerm
Sorry but anyway you spin it our terrible offense was his fault. Who was responsible for QB development?
Posted on 1/14/11 at 11:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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what losses in attrition would have possibly started in 2009 OTHER than somebody at LG?
I think they were planning to stick Jarvis Jones at RG (there were times even late in 07 that he was rotated in), but then who knows with Stud sticking with Hitt even when Hurst was clearly outplaying him in the bowl game.
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