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re: Can we stop pretending recruiting is hard?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to SteveLSU35
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to SteveLSU35
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The 360 camera and all the little things that make us stand apart from the rest.
these are all innovations that come from lower level staffers plugged into that
O isn't coming up asking to be on tiktok or "the" twitter, they handle that. Again a resource thing
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:52 am to BilJ
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I think you're kind of stupid and not really understanding the point
Your point, as you've stated, is that all it takes to be a good recruiter is effort. You literally said "anyone can do it".
If "anyone can do it" then why are there only ~5 teams recruiting at a championship level at any given moment? By definition, that means that there are only ~5 coaches in the country that put in a championship-level effort lmfao. Those are the only teams with coaches willing to put in the effort? You're an absolute moron.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:55 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:52 am to LifeAquatic
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This is the absolute dumbest thing i've heard in my life. All it takes to sign top 5 classes is effort? lmfaoooo
Man you're really not understanding this. You are quite dumb.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:53 am to ehidal1
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Saban has a shitty personality
This is extremely overplayed - have you ever seen him give a speech? Dude is charismatic as hell
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:53 am to LifeAquatic
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By definition, that means that there are only ~5 coaches in the country that put in a championship-level effort lmfao
There are only so many schools who can devote 7-figures annually to recruiting. Find me a school routinely in the top 10 who doesn't spend over $1M/year on just recruiting.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:53 am to BilJ
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Right and he's a moron. He was just relentless at it, that's not a skill.
Again, disingenuous from a place of your dislike of O. If there's one thing he's good at it's recruiting. He's a salesman. It's how he got the job in the first place. Recruiting the right people to his side. It's relationship building to the point of a commitment. That's absolutely a skill that some have and some don't.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:53 am to LifeAquatic
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Your point, as you've stated, is that all it takes to be a good recruiter is effort.
I guess you can't read because I didn't say that is all it takes. Resources, fertile recruiting ground, etc were all other factors mentioned idiot
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:55 am to BilJ
you literally said the words "anybody can do it" lol.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:56 am to Lsuhoohoo
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He's a salesman
and these aren't really hard to find
an elite X's and O's along and ability to develop players is are more important traits than sales ability in a HC when you can staff that
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:00 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:56 am to BilJ
Recruiting is 100% Sales. That’s like saying that in sales as long as you try very hard you’ll be successful. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
In sales, all types of different personalities can be successful though.
Saban is calm and exudes a level of confidence that few if any can match.
Jimbo is much more high energy but also exudes confidence.
O is all about passion and high energy. He also exudes a lot of confidence. He taps in to the heart strings of the athlete and their families.
Aranda absolutely can be successful once he finds his niche. As he gains more experience at being the CLOSER, he will come in to his own and will be fine.
Being a recruiter as a position coach is totally different than be a HC that’s a great CLOSER.
Aranda would draw from his DC success while he gains momentum as the HC. While I do not foresee him coming back here, I do think that he would be successful. First off, he would surround himself with great recruiters. The sign of a great leader is to surround themselves with people that are better than they at whatever they need. Aranda is certainly that.
In sales, all types of different personalities can be successful though.
Saban is calm and exudes a level of confidence that few if any can match.
Jimbo is much more high energy but also exudes confidence.
O is all about passion and high energy. He also exudes a lot of confidence. He taps in to the heart strings of the athlete and their families.
Aranda absolutely can be successful once he finds his niche. As he gains more experience at being the CLOSER, he will come in to his own and will be fine.
Being a recruiter as a position coach is totally different than be a HC that’s a great CLOSER.
Aranda would draw from his DC success while he gains momentum as the HC. While I do not foresee him coming back here, I do think that he would be successful. First off, he would surround himself with great recruiters. The sign of a great leader is to surround themselves with people that are better than they at whatever they need. Aranda is certainly that.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:57 am to LifeAquatic
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"anybody can do it"
at the right school, pretty much
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:58 am to LifeAquatic
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lol yeah anyone can recruit at a national championship level. Got it. There are TONS of teams each year that sign top 5 classes.
There are by definition only 5 teams that can sign top 5 recruiting classes each year genius
We are also not claiming any knucklehead from this board could recruit top 5 classes but professional coaches can to act like because someone does not have a top 5 class at their current school, there fore they can not recruit is what is legitimately hilarious
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:58 am to BilJ
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It’s not this learned skill you either have or don’t have
wrong...
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geographic location
yeah, because schools don't recruit nationally.
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Pretty much anyone can do i
you are so wrong...
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:01 am to PennyPacker
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yeah, because schools don't recruit nationally.
name me one of the schools consistently in the top 5 that relies on national recruiting.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:02 am to BilJ
Here’s an analogy. First off, you have to understand that Sales is Sales no matter what you are selling because at the end of the day, the successful ones are selling themselves;
78% of Outside Sales people in Technology will either quit or be fired within the first 6 months of hire.
Sales is both a talent and or a skill. In a more rare situation, the person possesses both. One you’re born with, the other you learn. The most successful people in sales either possess both, or surround themselves with people that are strong.
78% of Outside Sales people in Technology will either quit or be fired within the first 6 months of hire.
Sales is both a talent and or a skill. In a more rare situation, the person possesses both. One you’re born with, the other you learn. The most successful people in sales either possess both, or surround themselves with people that are strong.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:02 am to LifeAquatic
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If "anyone can do it" then why are there only ~5 teams recruiting at a championship level at any given moment? By definition, that means that there are only ~5 coaches in the country that put in a championship-level effort lmfao. Those are the only teams with coaches willing to put in the effort? You're an absolute moron.
No friend you are the absolute moron
Since you don't seem to grasp it I'll tell you there are only so many good players to go around.
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:04 am to BilJ
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these aren't really hard to find
yeah there are tons of guys who regularly recruit at a national championship level. Super easy to find. Just a coincidence that kirby and jimbo turned UGA and A&M into recruiting juggernauts. That would've happened no matter who they'd hired, right? After all, "anyone can do it" and it "isnt a skill", right? The guys before them just weren't trying.
God damn you are dumb.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 11:05 am
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:04 am to SeattleTigah
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or surround themselves with people that are strong.
like a head coach that can hire them?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:05 am to PennyPacker
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geographic location
yeah, because schools don't recruit nationally.
you think Saban/Dabo/Kirby get the same recruiting results at Wyoming? Or even a place like Illinois?
Why is it that Saban's recruiting class ranking improved dramatically at LSU and Bama vs when he was at Michigan State? Was it something in the water that magically transformed him to a elite recruiter to get the #1 class in 2001 or was it maybe that 2001 was a loaded year in Louisiana?
Posted on 11/16/21 at 11:05 am to BilJ
Recruiting is absolutely hard. You need to research the kids, evaluate whether they're good or bad, learn about who they are as a person from their coaches, and then use that to make a good impression on the kids in an incredibly short amount of time. There's a reason why a common quip about Kirby Smart is "he knows the name of the neighbor's dog before he shows up." That's just for kids you're actually going after. You also need to be in constant contact with a huge number of high schools so that their coach will say you're good people when the future 5 star 4 years from now inevitably goes to their coach asking for advice. There's not enough time and resources to do everything that would help, so knowing what's important and not important is critical. As is being a better salesman than the other 20 guys also hard recruiting the kid you want doing the exact same thing you are.
And more importantly, it's absolutely soul crushing. Only grade A narcissists like Urban Meyer actually enjoy being revered everywhere you go, and then when you're actually talking to the kids you have to deal with 18 year olds that have way too big of an ego.
And more importantly, it's absolutely soul crushing. Only grade A narcissists like Urban Meyer actually enjoy being revered everywhere you go, and then when you're actually talking to the kids you have to deal with 18 year olds that have way too big of an ego.
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