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Can we stop pretending recruiting is hard?

Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:39 am
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:39 am
It’s not this learned skill you either have or don’t have. The most important factors in being a “good recruiter” are willingness to grind, school you’re recruiting for, and geographic location.

Pretty much anyone can do it as evidenced by our current man. Now you have certain coaches that believe they’re above sucking up to teenagers and playing the game but I don’t see that as an issue with Campbell or really any of our candidates.

This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:40 am
Posted by Ocardowin
Member since Dec 2011
1345 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:40 am to
Chess isn't hard to play, either. Anyone can do it.
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:41 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13396 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:41 am to
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Pretty much anyone can do it


As long as they work hard at it, yes I agree.

Mullen is an example of a guy with a shitty recruiting work ethic and this has been known forever.

Aranda and Campbell work hard at it and would recruit well at LSU.
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
Member since Sep 2007
94503 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:42 am to
Well this is just silly.
Posted by Cs
Member since Aug 2008
10468 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:43 am to
Recruiting isn't hard.

Being persuasive enough to land elite players and put together top 5 classes each year is a different story.
Posted by PureBlood
The Motherland
Member since Oct 2021
3905 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:44 am to
YawYawO is an excellent recruiter... we also SUCK at football.


Give me a coach who can coach and develop.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158758 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:45 am to
Being a consistent winner in a talent rich area is the biggest factor there. The schools continually at the top of the rankings show that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Mullen is an example of a guy with a shitty recruiting work ethic and this has been known forever.

Yeah that's why he shouldn't be compared to Aranda.

I've argued this before and Aranda may not like recruiting and may focus more on Xs and Os, but he's a smart guy. He understands talent is how you win. He will prioritize recruiting instead of being an arrogant a-hole like Mullen, who thinks he's so genius it doesn't matter what his talent level is.

Also the "salesman" bullshite isn't always the way to win these battles. Saban is boring and dry but he understands how to communicate and that effort means more than anything (and he knows winning is the best recruiting pitch). I'm not saying Aranda will become Saban, but the fact that he's soft spoke and dry doesn't automatically kill his chances at recruiting.

Also a lot of this is somewhat moot. Who are established ace recruiters as HCs in major conferences? Tucker and Napier have shown chops at positional coaches at major schools but don't have a history as the head man at a big school. I mean Jimbo, sure, but we shouldn't be talking about him anymore.
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1785 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Pretty much anyone can do it



lol yeah anyone can recruit at a national championship level. Got it. There are TONS of teams each year that sign top 5 classes.

quote:

as evidenced by our current man



...you realize that O has been considered an elite recruiter--one of the best in the game--for literal decades, right?



This is legitimately hilarious. According to you, all these stupid coaches aren't signing top 5 classes just bc they don't feel like it?
This post was edited on 11/16/21 at 10:48 am
Posted by SteveLSU35
Shreveport
Member since Mar 2004
13953 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:47 am to
It is and it isn't. You have to keep up with the social media aspect of these kids. The 360 camera and all the little things that make us stand apart from the rest. Then you have to realize who you're actually trying to get. 17-18 year old kids....

We can look at the NFL and past years to know that LSU is a great spot that puts numerous guys into the league. They're so short sided that the past two seasons are enough to go elsewhere.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158758 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:48 am to
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...you realize that O has been considered an elite recruiter--one of the best in the game--for literal decades


Right and he's a moron. He was just relentless at it, that's not a skill.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422428 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:48 am to
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lol yeah anyone can recruit at a national championship level. Got it. There are TONS of teams each year that sign top 5 classes.


Resources and effort determine a lot of this.

There is a reason why the top recruiting schools often mirror the schools with the biggest recruiting budgets. Do you think that makes Kirby (#1), Saban (#2), or Dabo (#4) shitty recruiters? If they had this natural ability, they should be able to do it without the big budgets, right?
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158758 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:48 am to
quote:

This is legitimately hilarious. According to you, all these stupid coaches aren't signing top 5 classes just bc they don't feel like it?


I think you're kind of stupid and not really understanding the point
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158758 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:49 am to
quote:

Resources and effort determine a lot of this.

There is a reason why the top recruiting schools often mirror the schools with the biggest recruiting budgets.
Posted by LSUminati
Member since Jan 2017
3365 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:50 am to
Salesmanship is absolutely a skill and some people have it while others don’t
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1785 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:50 am to
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He was just relentless at it, that's not a skill.



This is the absolute dumbest thing i've heard in my life. All it takes to sign top 5 classes is effort? lmfaoooo
Posted by ehidal1
Chief Boot Knocka
Member since Dec 2007
37134 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to
I think having people helping in recruiting that understand the grind and how to work the system is most important. Saban has a shitty personality but hired smart people that grind around him and he pushed them. He also had people learn how to game the system to gain advantages. You don’t have to be Mr Charismatic as a HC to recruit well.
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
14899 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to
Yeah this is completely false. Not just anyone could do it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
422428 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to
quote:

All it takes to sign top 5 classes is effort?

Effort and a lot of money.
Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
12365 posts
Posted on 11/16/21 at 10:51 am to
Can we stop pretending that it recruits itself
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