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re: Army fired Rich Ellerson

Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by Broseph Barksdale
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:09 pm to
Interesting. So he's considered a contractor?
Posted by RedMustang
Member since Oct 2011
6946 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

quote: If Saban wants to be the GOAT, he'll go win a title at Army Department of Defense has a 600 billion dollar budget so they won't be outbid.


If the Army can pay $1300 for a toilet, then Saban should be worth $100 mill per year.
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
14045 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 9:05 pm to
It would be cool if Tom Coughlin finished his career at Army.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/15/13 at 10:00 pm to
West Point is the "Texas" of service academies.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9523 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:23 am to
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Navy and Air Force are more willing to waive some of their standards to help their sports teams. Navy's O Line averaged 30 lbs more than Army's.


THIS! People dont realize that recruits to these schools generally still have to meet height and weight requirements. Army needs to ease their requirements a bit to get some bigger players. Having said that, if Navy and Air Force can do it, then dammit so should Army. They need to bring in somebody young and enthusiastic who can bring some creativeness to this program. Im sick of losing to Navy!
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
14045 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:52 am to
It is strange that out to army, navy and air force, army lags. It would seem army would be the easiest out of those 3 to win at football.
Posted by BoatSchoolTiger
Houston, TX
Member since May 2013
659 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:53 am to
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Interesting. So he's considered a contractor?


No he is a paid through the Naval Academy Athletic Assn which is a private corporation.

Geaux Navy for another 12 years!!
Posted by themunch
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72518 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 9:55 am to
Mack Brown for Army!!!!!
Posted by ThreauxDown11
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2013
1655 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:01 am to
There is no height restriction only weight. The lineman still have to make weight. It's just that much harder for them. The standards aren't any weaker. Navy is better coached and has more talent at the skill positions. Deal With It! GO NAVY!
Posted by Gcockboi
Rock Hill
Member since Oct 2012
7689 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 10:05 am to
They need a coach that doesn't run the old school triple option. Hell hire Brett Lashlee(sp). Auburns offense would thrive at Army.
This post was edited on 12/16/13 at 10:06 am
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12960 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 12:44 pm to
It wasn't that long ago when their records vs each other wee almost even, and I even remember a stat showing the total scoring was almost exactly even. That was before this navy streak.
Seems lately navy has put more emphasis on winning (hiring a legit coach,etc)
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
37335 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 1:09 pm to
you are starting to see a return to the pre 9/11 Army...

height/weight standards really began kicking in during the early 1980's...serves as another tool to get rid of people in a downsizing force...

Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 1:14 pm to
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They need a coach that doesn't run the old school triple option. Hell hire Brett Lashlee(sp). Auburns offense would thrive at Army.


As much as I would enjoy following Rhett at Army, it just isn't a wise career choice.
Posted by sms151t
Polos, Porsches, Ponies..PROBATION
Member since Aug 2009
140999 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 1:22 pm to
Well it wasnt Bobby Ross, Stan Brock or Todd Berry. Those were the coaches at Army before Ellerson. I think Bob Sutton was before Ross and he is DC for the Chiefs.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2992 posts
Posted on 12/16/13 at 11:41 pm to
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Army is giving waivers for height weight restrictions for the lineman and have been doing this since the restrictians were implemented. They are small for today's standard lineman but that is probably more of a function of the type of O-lineman that they want to run the triple option than waivers for height/weight. They probablly prefer smaller, quicker lineman to execute the zone blocking scheme used in the wishbone.

As with football players from all of the Academies they will have to meet respective standards prior to commissioning.

I firmly believe that the lack of success Army is currently having is a function of coaching, quality of life at respective academies, the rise of football for the smaller schools, and cultural/media influence for this generation.

Coaching they need a coach that will run a modern version of the option instead of the antiquated wishbone attack. Defenses figured out how to defend it in the 80's.

I can't speak for today but West Point has always had a reputation of having stricter rules for the cadets than the other academies. This has to be considered by current recruits.

Additionally, the Navy has done an excellent job of marketing themselves as the home of the elite warriors with the recent success of the Navy Seals and having pretty cool toys with the modern fleet/aircraft. For the past ten years Army recruits have been guaranteed to rotate between Iraq and Afghanistan once their football careers are over. The last time Army has had success as a program was the years immediately following Desert Storm/Panama Canal and has spiraled out of control since 2003. I don't think this is a coincidence and it is weighed heavily in the minds of recruits coming out of high school today.

Posted by bamaphan13
Member since Jan 2011
1238 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 8:08 am to
was at the game Saturday. Me and a friend made the trip to Philly just to for the game. Excellent atmosphere that everyone should experience at least once.

That said Army was just a poorly coached FB team. They looked unprepared and uninterested. You could tell that Navy just wanted to win the game more.
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9523 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:31 am to
Somebody said Mack Brown. I wonder if he or West Point would consider such a move? By all acounts he is a good man and great coach, thats exactly what Army needs. Now i understand its probably a stretch, but if i was Army, id give him a call and see how interested he would be. Getting Army, a service academy, back to respectability could really change and cement Mack Brown's legacy as a great coach.
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 9:32 am
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
81611 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 9:58 pm to
West Point football players wait until they've graduated to commit serious crimes. (The quarterback the last time Army won a bowl game covered up a borderline war crime in 2003)

Texas players, on the other hand...
This post was edited on 12/17/13 at 11:15 pm
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6419 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 10:36 pm to
Old school Triple option requires demon speed to really attack the opponent. They would be better with one of those run-based modern zone read offenses.
They really need to follow the CJ approach and put their best athletes on defense. They're Ds have been atrocious, and the level of atrocity has been hidden by their clock-running offense that has kept aggregate scores down.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17896 posts
Posted on 12/17/13 at 11:05 pm to
The triple option gets criticized, but Army was one of the best rushing teams in the country the last few years and Navy still wins with it. Army was let down by poor defense and situational coaching by Ellerson IMO.

And simply changing the offensive philosophy has not proven to be an automatic fix at West Point previously. They tried spreading things out under Berry a few years back and they might've been the worst they've ever been.
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