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Is there a bigger A-hole author than Pat Rothfuss?
Posted on 7/25/22 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/25/22 at 12:10 pm
It's been almost 12 years since his last book, with Book 3 of Kingkiller Chronicles still nowhere in sight.
He has been openly antagonistic towards his fanbase for quite awhile, railing on them repeatedly. He went on a "multi-year spiral" after Trump got elected.
He has now repeatedly used the 3rd book as leverage for charity fundraisers, having people contribute to his charities with the promise of all kinds of things and never delivering. Just this past year, he started a fundraiser and promised if a certain goal was reached, he would release the prologue and chapter 1 from the next book. The goal was reached, and he never delivered.
He has gone on record as basically saying he has disdain for his fanbase.
Just yesterday, he did a Q and A. When asked the last book he has read, he said "Book 3", and later in the same interview said some of his answers may be lies. Which got people really riled up.
The guy is just a total prick by all accounts and hasn't produced in over a decade.
He has been openly antagonistic towards his fanbase for quite awhile, railing on them repeatedly. He went on a "multi-year spiral" after Trump got elected.
He has now repeatedly used the 3rd book as leverage for charity fundraisers, having people contribute to his charities with the promise of all kinds of things and never delivering. Just this past year, he started a fundraiser and promised if a certain goal was reached, he would release the prologue and chapter 1 from the next book. The goal was reached, and he never delivered.
He has gone on record as basically saying he has disdain for his fanbase.
Just yesterday, he did a Q and A. When asked the last book he has read, he said "Book 3", and later in the same interview said some of his answers may be lies. Which got people really riled up.
The guy is just a total prick by all accounts and hasn't produced in over a decade.
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Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't know if he the biggest a-hole (there are many others who truly set the standard), but he is definitely a douche. I think I am done reading his books, even if he were to announce book 3 tomorrow.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 3:28 pm to Fun Bunch
Yep, he's literally the complete opposite to Sanderson in work ethic, fan engagement, transparency etc.
My problem is even when Kingkiller 3 does comes out, I don't see how that can be the satisfying end of the story. There's so much of this world that hasn't been touched on. That would prob require another trilogy and I highly doubt that's going to happen.
My problem is even when Kingkiller 3 does comes out, I don't see how that can be the satisfying end of the story. There's so much of this world that hasn't been touched on. That would prob require another trilogy and I highly doubt that's going to happen.
Posted on 7/25/22 at 4:22 pm to gpburdell
Which is why I think it hasn’t.
He can’t finish it. He’s stuck. He painted himself into a corner and can’t do it in 3 but is dead set on it. He’s also apparently gone months if not years at a time not doing a thing on it.
As of 2020 the main editor at his publisher hadn’t seen a page.
He can’t finish it. He’s stuck. He painted himself into a corner and can’t do it in 3 but is dead set on it. He’s also apparently gone months if not years at a time not doing a thing on it.
As of 2020 the main editor at his publisher hadn’t seen a page.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 6:13 pm to Fun Bunch
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Which is why I think it hasn’t. He can’t finish it. He’s stuck. He painted himself into a corner and can’t do it in 3 but is dead set on it. He’s also apparently gone months if not years at a time not doing a thing on it. As of 2020 the main editor at his publisher hadn’t seen a page.
And yet, if I recall correctly, the introduction to the first book made it sound as though he had it all nearly completed from jump.
At this point, he may be worse than the other, non-finishing Fat Man.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 9:02 pm to Sasquatch Smash
He claimed all 3 were done and he’d have one out after the other. I think we can see that was plainly a lie.
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:17 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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At this point, he may be worse than the other, non-finishing Fat Man.
Oh he most definitely is. Martin sucks, but Rothfuss is a next level a-hole.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 8:50 am to auyushu
Martin does give updates from time to time, and does have some level of engagement.
Rothfuss is just a straight up dickhead.
Rothfuss is just a straight up dickhead.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 10:26 am to Fun Bunch
I didn't love book 2. I may or may not check out book 3 from the library if it ever comes out. I certainly won't buy it.
Posted on 7/27/22 at 2:50 pm to Fun Bunch
He's trying to out-Martin GRRRRMartin. He has taken on an impossible task to do so, but he is putting up a strong fight.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:04 am to Midget Death Squad
Rothfuss book 3 or Martin dies first. What ya got?
I don’t know the progress of book 3 or Martins age/health situation so could go either way
I don’t know the progress of book 3 or Martins age/health situation so could go either way
Posted on 7/28/22 at 9:36 am to Fun Bunch
I feel like Rothfuss makes GRRM look like a damn saint and a hard worker. I've read ASOIAF twice and KKC once, so it's possible I just don't remember it as well. But, it seems to me that ASOIAF has way more going on. Yeah, there are more books, but there was more going on in the first two books. GRRM built a huge world and actually placed the reader throughout the world. Rothfuss has this big world, but I feel like we've hardly seen any of it.
I bring that up just to say that I have a lot more understanding of GRRM. I hate him, but he has more of an excuse than Rothfuss.
I bring that up just to say that I have a lot more understanding of GRRM. I hate him, but he has more of an excuse than Rothfuss.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 10:36 am to Fun Bunch
If I recall correctly, he got pissed that people were critical about his second book, so he stopped writing.
Very professional!
Very professional!
Posted on 7/28/22 at 10:50 am to DestrehanTiger
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I feel like Rothfuss makes GRRM look like a damn saint and a hard worker. I've read ASOIAF twice and KKC once, so it's possible I just don't remember it as well. But, it seems to me that ASOIAF has way more going on. Yeah, there are more books, but there was more going on in the first two books. GRRM built a huge world and actually placed the reader throughout the world. Rothfuss has this big world, but I feel like we've hardly seen any of it.
I bring that up just to say that I have a lot more understanding of GRRM. I hate him, but he has more of an excuse than Rothfuss.
Martin wrote 3 great books, 1 pretty good one, and 1 ok one, before he crapped out in his early 60s. He also used an innovative multiple POV approach and subverted fantasy tropes before that was what everyone did.
Rothfuss wrote one pretty good book that wasn't all that original--orphan with mysterious past goes to wizard school, with dark enemy who killed his parents lurking in background. Then he wrote a pretty bad sequel that didn't move the plot much and had a hilariously bad "fairy sex camp" sequence. Then he crapped out in his 30s.
I don't think GRRM is going to finish his series, but I wish he would. I couldn't care less if Rothfuss releases another book.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 12:54 pm to TigerIron
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Martin wrote 3 great books, 1 pretty good one, and 1 ok one, before he crapped out in his early 60s. He also used an innovative multiple POV approach and subverted fantasy tropes before that was what everyone did.
Rothfuss wrote one pretty good book that wasn't all that original--orphan with mysterious past goes to wizard school, with dark enemy who killed his parents lurking in background. Then he wrote a pretty bad sequel that didn't move the plot much and had a hilariously bad "fairy sex camp" sequence. Then he crapped out in his 30s.
I don't think GRRM is going to finish his series, but I wish he would. I couldn't care less if Rothfuss releases another book.
Spot on. Kingkiller first book was mostly unoriginal. Where it shined was in its detailed building of the characters, school and world. It was so detailed that it became boring and a chore to read. I had to switch to audiobook to finish it, because I had grown tired of reading it. In the end it felt like not much really happened story wise, and I had zero interest to continue on with the second book. I get people love them, but it was not for me.
The way Pat holds himself on a pedestal with this series is laughable; it's not the great masterpiece that he believes it to be.
GRRRRMartin on the other hand built probably the most complex world and political structure in all of fantasy, and he can back up his arrogance with an actual brilliant creation. Not that I agree with how he has handled the final two books, but in a way he has earned it. Watching him and Pat act very similarly is funny, because Pat is a fly on GRRRRRRMartin's turd.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:02 pm to Midget Death Squad
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Kingkiller first book was mostly unoriginal. Where it shined
really the detail that shined in Name was his prose. It was pretty exceptional at times for fantasy. That's what most people say set it apart.
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GRRRRMartin on the other hand built probably the most complex world and political structure in all of fantasy
GRRM doesn't have anywhere close to the most complex world in fantasy to me. For instance the world of WOT is much more complex and detailed.
Cannot argue with political structure though, its amazing what GRRM did there.
GRRM combined very good prose with reveling in taking a giant piss on fantasy tropes like no one before him. That's what made ASOIAF so amazing when I first read it.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 1:50 pm to Fun Bunch
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GRRM doesn't have anywhere close to the most complex world in fantasy to me. For instance the world of WOT is much more complex and detailed.
Cannot argue with political structure though, its amazing what GRRM did there.
That's why I put world and political structure together. I meant that the combination of the two is spectacularly complex, especially the characters and their histories. Now that I am finally finished WOT as of a few months ago, I do still think ASOIAF has more detail, but they are pretty much equal. Both series are great, but ASOIAF is a better overall read and world for me. I can see liking WOT better though, so it's one of those personal preference things.
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GRRM combined very good prose
His prose is brilliant, which is my favorite aspect of his writing. PatRoth is great as well, but GRRRRRRMartin is a master. If if weren't for the excess of story that was book 4, I would say he is the perfect modern day author, not just of fantasy. Very very few write with such elegant prose as Martin does, even when he's writing crass for his crass characters' POVs
Posted on 7/28/22 at 3:16 pm to Fun Bunch
I don't know anything about Rothfuss or his fans, but book 2 was a huge disappointment for me. Every good scene felt like a rehash of something from the first book and his writing style went from poetic to sloppy.
But worst of all, he no longer seemed to leave room for his self-insertion character to be an unreliable narrator. He really is amazingly skilled at everything he does and I don't see how that could possibly come to a satisfying conclusion.
But worst of all, he no longer seemed to leave room for his self-insertion character to be an unreliable narrator. He really is amazingly skilled at everything he does and I don't see how that could possibly come to a satisfying conclusion.
Posted on 7/28/22 at 5:48 pm to Fun Bunch
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This post was edited on 8/29/22 at 11:10 am
Posted on 7/28/22 at 8:24 pm to Fun Bunch
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really the detail that shined in Name was his prose. It was pretty exceptional at times for fantasy. That's what most people say set it apart.
Shame he’s such a shithead.
Yours truly
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