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Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:59 pm to 9th life
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I think varys could be serra. His claim to being a eunich is only verified that he openly admits to it. The bald head helps hide the gender and lineage.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:13 pm to putt23
Well, the thread title does say these are crackpot theories. 
I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find some kind of evidence for it. Not sure what that would be, but these books are so long and complicated and have so much content that you can find a little evidence for almost any theory.
I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find some kind of evidence for it. Not sure what that would be, but these books are so long and complicated and have so much content that you can find a little evidence for almost any theory.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:30 pm to blueboy
Speaking strictly books, not television. Maybe varys is just a husky, blackfyre woman with s bald head.
And yes just totally fricking around.
And yes just totally fricking around.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:28 pm to 9th life
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"You ask that? You who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning. Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors, since I cannot prove that you are not mine. To teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father's sigil and his father's before him. But neither gods nor men shall ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse." (aSoS, pg65)
Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:52 pm to FT
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Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
It's a viable theory IMO but I'm hoping it does't come to pass. I think it is more poignant if Tyrion really IS Tywin's son and Tywyin's big mistake (I have a theory that all those who are killed have one big "mistake" or character trait that leads to their downfall) was not nurturing Tyrion's considerable talents.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:55 pm to Methuselah
Sansa gonna kill LF and not Ramsey? 
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:24 pm to FT
quote:I think he just said that because he was ashamed of having an imp for a son and wanted to deny that such a person could have come from his loins.
Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:52 am to blueboy
GRRM is definitely fanning the flames of that theory. In the end though, how many secret Targaryens can he really get away with? He already used this once with Aegon and still has to reveal Jon T. I mainly just don't see him going to the well that many times.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:55 am to jrodLSUke
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He already used this once with Aegon
I still believe this is a red herring - and that Young Griff may be a Blackfyre imposter.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but if Young Griff really is Aegon (and isn't going to die in Essos), then why haven't we seen or heard of him in the TV show yet?
I mean in the show, Varys is 100% team Dany.
What am I missing?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:28 am to Ace Midnight
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What am I missing?
Doesn't matter if Aegon is in the show or not under two circumstances. 1. He isn't a major player at the end of the story. 2. He isn't one of the 3 heads of the dragon.
This could still give him a nice arc in the story where he attempt/succeeds taking the throne and then is killed off. All he needs to do is marry Margarey after Tommen is killed and that will pretty much guarantee it.
I had hopes that he would be one of the three heads and possibly even a rival head. He is already proving to be impulsive and if he were to claim one of the dragons, I could see him flying off to take on the Others alone in an attempt to solidify his claim to the throne. In which case he will get murdered and possibly give the Others a reanimated dragon to fight the living with. Wait... Did I just figure out the Ice Dragon prophesy?
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:40 am to Ace Midnight
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I still believe this is a red herring - and that Young Griff may be a Blackfyre imposter.
I also think he is a Blackfyre. Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre (although that doesn't seem to be the case for show Varys).
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:44 am to Bamatab
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Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre
Me, too, but I want to see if I can get to the end without changing my mind on that. I still have several hundred pages left.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:46 am to Bamatab
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I also think he is a Blackfyre. Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre
Well that's one of the more grounded crackpots out there so thats not surprising
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:57 am to wildtigercat93
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Well that's one of the more grounded crackpots out there so thats not surprising
This. I feel pretty strongly that he and his sister were last of the Blackfyre line and that his sister married Illyrio. Their son being Aegon Blackfyre would explain a lot of the dealings between Varys and Illyrio. Hell Varys has been in Kings Landing stirring shite up for over a decade making the road for Aegon clear. Personally, I like the Blackfyres more than the Targaryens anyway. Especially considering Daeron was a bastard and not the son of Aegon the Unworthy. (IMO) Plus the Great Bastards were awesome. If Bloodraven would have sided with Daemon, it would have been lights out.
I wish this world would have been started by a 20 year old GRRM. I could have read 1000 page books starting with the Doom of Valyria covering the Conquest, Maegor the Cruel, an expanded Dance of the Dragons, the Great Bastards and Blackfyre rebellion, and Robert's Rebellion.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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Aegon (and isn't going to die in Essos)
It's going to tough for him to die in Essos considering he's holding Storm's End in the books.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:09 pm to Mr. Wayne
Wasn't that proved to be a lie that Aegon perpetrated to pass over Daeron for Daemon? Also wasn't it because he was afraid of the Dragonknight?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:11 pm to DMagic
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It's going to tough for him to die in Essos considering he's holding Storm's End in the books
I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.
So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?
Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:22 pm to Ace Midnight
They are consolidating characters left and right in the show. I wouldn't read too much into the fact that he's not in it
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:23 pm to Ace Midnight
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I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.
Sorry it's from Arianne's sample chapter in TWOW. I didn't mean to spoil you.
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So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?
Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.
Oh I agree I was just being a smartass. I hate the secret Targ theories and like others have mentioned previously it cheapens Tyrion's scene with Tywin in the bathroom.
I think that he will be the downfall of Dorne though as the Martells revolt causing another war. The war of the four queens
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