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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/27/15 at 2:34 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 6/27/15 at 2:34 am to wildtigercat93
ASOIAF Crackpot Theory Thread Catalogue
NOTE: This catalogue does not include every single theory. Theories that were shot down immediately with evidence from the books do not appear here. All other theories, no matter how farfetched, are included. Only impossible or disproven theories are left out and any theory with even a shred of plausibility is included. Theories that are rehashed multiple times also won’t be included as separate entries, but if I see two large discussions of the same topic I’ll put in page numbers for both discussions where possible. Credit is given to theorists where possible, and I'm doing my best to briefly summarize theories. If you think your theory is incorrectly summarized, feel free to suck my balls. This is already a hard job.
Catalogue of Crackpot Theories From Page 110-150:
There is a dragon egg in or near the wall, white with red specks. Seems to point to Jon. – Page 112, Poster: skirpnasty
Jon Snow will be the “bizarro” Azor Ahai, and will ride an Ice Dragon, be armored in ice and wield a Dragon Glass Sword. – Page 115, Poster: 19
Sansa will kill or defeat Littlefinger; this is foreshadowed by Robert Arryn’s smashing her ice castle with his toy giant, and her ripping the toy giant’s head off. – Page 117, Poster: skirpnasty
Arya is the Valonquar, and kills Cersei to fulfill the prophecy. – Page 118, Poster: jrodLSUke
Dorne sides with Aegon and helps him claim the Iron Throne; Tommen is killed. – Page 119, Poster: NIH
Euron is the Dusky Woman; he has learned the skill of being faceless. – Page 119, Poster: NIH
Mance Rayder = Ser Arthur Dayne. – Page 120, Poster: skirpnasty
Mance Rayder = Rhaegar Targaryen. – Page 121, Poster: skirpnasty
Darkstar = Aegon VI. – Page 122, Poster: jrodLSUke
The Others are not ruined Greenseers or Children of the Forest; they were created by the Children of the Forest, or at least serve them. – Page 123, Poster: 19
Randyll Tarly will betray Mace Tyrell, and kill Aegon to show fealty to Danerys Targaryen. – Page 125, Poster NIH
Littlefinger will try to kill Rickon to strengthen Sansa’s claim, and Sansa will kill Littlefinger as a result. – Page 126, OMLandshark
General discussion of people with fake identities (R+l=J, Varys=Blackfyre, etc.). – Page 127, All Posters
Jon wargs into ghost, and meets Varaymyr Sixskins, who teaches him how to use his abilities. – Page 131, Poster: Slinger16
Loras Tyrell is alive and well, and Dragonstone is still held by Stannis. It was never even attacked, and the Tyrells have something major planned. – Page 136, Poster: NIH
Either Kevan, Tysha or the Red Viper poisoned Tywin Lannister before Tyrion killed him. Tysha=Shea. (lots of discussion of this topic on several pages). – Page 148, Poster: 19
Varys and his sister Serra are Blackfyres, and Serra gave birth to Illyrio’s son. Varys and Illyrio are working to make her son King of the Seven Kingdoms. – Page 149, Poster: NIH
Varys killed Ned Stark, not Littlefinger. – Page 149, Poster: Slinger16
NOTE: This catalogue does not include every single theory. Theories that were shot down immediately with evidence from the books do not appear here. All other theories, no matter how farfetched, are included. Only impossible or disproven theories are left out and any theory with even a shred of plausibility is included. Theories that are rehashed multiple times also won’t be included as separate entries, but if I see two large discussions of the same topic I’ll put in page numbers for both discussions where possible. Credit is given to theorists where possible, and I'm doing my best to briefly summarize theories. If you think your theory is incorrectly summarized, feel free to suck my balls. This is already a hard job.
Catalogue of Crackpot Theories From Page 110-150:
There is a dragon egg in or near the wall, white with red specks. Seems to point to Jon. – Page 112, Poster: skirpnasty
Jon Snow will be the “bizarro” Azor Ahai, and will ride an Ice Dragon, be armored in ice and wield a Dragon Glass Sword. – Page 115, Poster: 19
Sansa will kill or defeat Littlefinger; this is foreshadowed by Robert Arryn’s smashing her ice castle with his toy giant, and her ripping the toy giant’s head off. – Page 117, Poster: skirpnasty
Arya is the Valonquar, and kills Cersei to fulfill the prophecy. – Page 118, Poster: jrodLSUke
Dorne sides with Aegon and helps him claim the Iron Throne; Tommen is killed. – Page 119, Poster: NIH
Euron is the Dusky Woman; he has learned the skill of being faceless. – Page 119, Poster: NIH
Mance Rayder = Ser Arthur Dayne. – Page 120, Poster: skirpnasty
Mance Rayder = Rhaegar Targaryen. – Page 121, Poster: skirpnasty
Darkstar = Aegon VI. – Page 122, Poster: jrodLSUke
The Others are not ruined Greenseers or Children of the Forest; they were created by the Children of the Forest, or at least serve them. – Page 123, Poster: 19
Randyll Tarly will betray Mace Tyrell, and kill Aegon to show fealty to Danerys Targaryen. – Page 125, Poster NIH
Littlefinger will try to kill Rickon to strengthen Sansa’s claim, and Sansa will kill Littlefinger as a result. – Page 126, OMLandshark
General discussion of people with fake identities (R+l=J, Varys=Blackfyre, etc.). – Page 127, All Posters
Jon wargs into ghost, and meets Varaymyr Sixskins, who teaches him how to use his abilities. – Page 131, Poster: Slinger16
Loras Tyrell is alive and well, and Dragonstone is still held by Stannis. It was never even attacked, and the Tyrells have something major planned. – Page 136, Poster: NIH
Either Kevan, Tysha or the Red Viper poisoned Tywin Lannister before Tyrion killed him. Tysha=Shea. (lots of discussion of this topic on several pages). – Page 148, Poster: 19
Varys and his sister Serra are Blackfyres, and Serra gave birth to Illyrio’s son. Varys and Illyrio are working to make her son King of the Seven Kingdoms. – Page 149, Poster: NIH
Varys killed Ned Stark, not Littlefinger. – Page 149, Poster: Slinger16
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 5:40 am to FT
Great work. My thoughts on a couple in light of the most recent stuff (the show through season 5 and the books through the sample chapters of WoW):
Certainly possible. And with Sansa in Winterfell (or in a snowdrift right outside the wall at this exact moment) it could happen. Especially if Littlefinger brings the Night's of the Vale to attack the Boltons and Winterfell is greatly damaged during the battle.
I've always thought this was a very likely possibility in the books (the alliance, not necessarily the victory). And I'm pretty sure one of the princesses of Dorne went to meet Aegon to explore an alliance/marriage. But with the show skipping Aegon all together and not presenting Doran as calculating as he appeared in the books I'm thinking maybe Aegon was a dead end and Doran didn't pull the trigger (maybe he never got word about Frog).
There is a good bit of circumstantial evidence for the theory. Though I'd rule out Kevan: the Viper is a definite possibility and maybe Tysha/Shea working for LF or Varys (wouldn't that devastate Tyrion if he found out after he's killed her). But I don't see the import of the theory so I kind of discount it.
I'd say its very likely that at least Illyrio's wife was a Blackfyre and he and Varys were working to put Illyrio's and Serra's son (ie: "Aegon") on the throne. Not sure if Serra is Varys sister though. But again, with the show skipping Aegon I'm guessing he didn't prevail. Though I guess they could maybe conflate Aegon with Danny in the show (but it makes my head hurt trying to figure out if they could have successfully switched her at birth or soon thereafter)
quote:
Sansa will kill or defeat Littlefinger; this is foreshadowed by Robert Arryn’s smashing her ice castle with his toy giant, and her ripping the toy giant’s head off. – Page 117, Poster: skirpnasty
Certainly possible. And with Sansa in Winterfell (or in a snowdrift right outside the wall at this exact moment) it could happen. Especially if Littlefinger brings the Night's of the Vale to attack the Boltons and Winterfell is greatly damaged during the battle.
quote:
Dorne sides with Aegon and helps him claim the Iron Throne; Tommen is killed. – Page 119, Poster: NIH
I've always thought this was a very likely possibility in the books (the alliance, not necessarily the victory). And I'm pretty sure one of the princesses of Dorne went to meet Aegon to explore an alliance/marriage. But with the show skipping Aegon all together and not presenting Doran as calculating as he appeared in the books I'm thinking maybe Aegon was a dead end and Doran didn't pull the trigger (maybe he never got word about Frog).
quote:
Either Kevan, Tysha or the Red Viper poisoned Tywin Lannister before Tyrion killed him. Tysha=Shea. (lots of discussion of this topic on several pages). – Page 148, Poster: 19
There is a good bit of circumstantial evidence for the theory. Though I'd rule out Kevan: the Viper is a definite possibility and maybe Tysha/Shea working for LF or Varys (wouldn't that devastate Tyrion if he found out after he's killed her). But I don't see the import of the theory so I kind of discount it.
quote:
Varys and his sister Serra are Blackfyres, and Serra gave birth to Illyrio’s son. Varys and Illyrio are working to make her son King of the Seven Kingdoms. – Page 149, Poster: NIH
I'd say its very likely that at least Illyrio's wife was a Blackfyre and he and Varys were working to put Illyrio's and Serra's son (ie: "Aegon") on the throne. Not sure if Serra is Varys sister though. But again, with the show skipping Aegon I'm guessing he didn't prevail. Though I guess they could maybe conflate Aegon with Danny in the show (but it makes my head hurt trying to figure out if they could have successfully switched her at birth or soon thereafter)
Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:18 pm to FT
I think varys could be serra. His claim to being a eunich is only verified that he openly admits to it. The bald head helps hide the gender and lineage.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:43 pm to 9th life
quote:What?
I think varys could be serra
If so, they really picked the wrong actor for that part.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 7:59 pm to 9th life
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I think varys could be serra. His claim to being a eunich is only verified that he openly admits to it. The bald head helps hide the gender and lineage.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:13 pm to putt23
Well, the thread title does say these are crackpot theories. 
I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find some kind of evidence for it. Not sure what that would be, but these books are so long and complicated and have so much content that you can find a little evidence for almost any theory.
I'm sure if you looked hard enough, you could find some kind of evidence for it. Not sure what that would be, but these books are so long and complicated and have so much content that you can find a little evidence for almost any theory.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 10:30 pm to blueboy
Speaking strictly books, not television. Maybe varys is just a husky, blackfyre woman with s bald head.
And yes just totally fricking around.
And yes just totally fricking around.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:28 pm to 9th life
quote:
"You ask that? You who killed your mother to come into the world? You are an ill-made, devious, disobedient, spiteful little creature full of envy, lust, and low cunning. Men's laws give you the right to bear my name and display my colors, since I cannot prove that you are not mine. To teach me humility, the gods have condemned me to watch you waddle about wearing that proud lion that was my father's sigil and his father's before him. But neither gods nor men shall ever compel me to let you turn Casterly Rock into your whorehouse." (aSoS, pg65)
Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:52 pm to FT
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Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
It's a viable theory IMO but I'm hoping it does't come to pass. I think it is more poignant if Tyrion really IS Tywin's son and Tywyin's big mistake (I have a theory that all those who are killed have one big "mistake" or character trait that leads to their downfall) was not nurturing Tyrion's considerable talents.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 6/29/15 at 2:55 pm to Methuselah
Sansa gonna kill LF and not Ramsey? 
Posted on 6/29/15 at 3:24 pm to FT
quote:I think he just said that because he was ashamed of having an imp for a son and wanted to deny that such a person could have come from his loins.
Just some quick fodder for the Tyrion is a Targaryean theory. I'm sure it's been discussed, but I don't remember seeing this quote in the thread. I don't really buy into it, but figured I'd add it.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:52 am to blueboy
GRRM is definitely fanning the flames of that theory. In the end though, how many secret Targaryens can he really get away with? He already used this once with Aegon and still has to reveal Jon T. I mainly just don't see him going to the well that many times.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 10:55 am to jrodLSUke
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He already used this once with Aegon
I still believe this is a red herring - and that Young Griff may be a Blackfyre imposter.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but if Young Griff really is Aegon (and isn't going to die in Essos), then why haven't we seen or heard of him in the TV show yet?
I mean in the show, Varys is 100% team Dany.
What am I missing?
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:28 am to Ace Midnight
quote:
What am I missing?
Doesn't matter if Aegon is in the show or not under two circumstances. 1. He isn't a major player at the end of the story. 2. He isn't one of the 3 heads of the dragon.
This could still give him a nice arc in the story where he attempt/succeeds taking the throne and then is killed off. All he needs to do is marry Margarey after Tommen is killed and that will pretty much guarantee it.
I had hopes that he would be one of the three heads and possibly even a rival head. He is already proving to be impulsive and if he were to claim one of the dragons, I could see him flying off to take on the Others alone in an attempt to solidify his claim to the throne. In which case he will get murdered and possibly give the Others a reanimated dragon to fight the living with. Wait... Did I just figure out the Ice Dragon prophesy?
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 11:38 am
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:40 am to Ace Midnight
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I still believe this is a red herring - and that Young Griff may be a Blackfyre imposter.
I also think he is a Blackfyre. Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre (although that doesn't seem to be the case for show Varys).
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:44 am to Bamatab
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Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre
Me, too, but I want to see if I can get to the end without changing my mind on that. I still have several hundred pages left.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:46 am to Bamatab
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I also think he is a Blackfyre. Heck, I've even suspected that book Varys is a Blackfyre
Well that's one of the more grounded crackpots out there so thats not surprising
Posted on 6/30/15 at 11:57 am to wildtigercat93
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Well that's one of the more grounded crackpots out there so thats not surprising
This. I feel pretty strongly that he and his sister were last of the Blackfyre line and that his sister married Illyrio. Their son being Aegon Blackfyre would explain a lot of the dealings between Varys and Illyrio. Hell Varys has been in Kings Landing stirring shite up for over a decade making the road for Aegon clear. Personally, I like the Blackfyres more than the Targaryens anyway. Especially considering Daeron was a bastard and not the son of Aegon the Unworthy. (IMO) Plus the Great Bastards were awesome. If Bloodraven would have sided with Daemon, it would have been lights out.
I wish this world would have been started by a 20 year old GRRM. I could have read 1000 page books starting with the Doom of Valyria covering the Conquest, Maegor the Cruel, an expanded Dance of the Dragons, the Great Bastards and Blackfyre rebellion, and Robert's Rebellion.
This post was edited on 6/30/15 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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Aegon (and isn't going to die in Essos)
It's going to tough for him to die in Essos considering he's holding Storm's End in the books.
Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:09 pm to Mr. Wayne
Wasn't that proved to be a lie that Aegon perpetrated to pass over Daeron for Daemon? Also wasn't it because he was afraid of the Dragonknight?
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