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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by Bamatab
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:24 pm to
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I might have mentioned that I have several hundred pages to go.

So - I'll modify - if Young Griff is Aegon, and isn't going to die abruptly in Storm's End - why hasn't he shown up in the show?

Evidence against his being a legitimate Targ heir and/or the 3rd head of the dragon are his complete absence in the show.

Another hint that Aegon is Blackfyre is the company of sellswords that is now in his service that broke their original contract with Myr because "Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood".
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:27 pm to
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I wouldn't read too much into the fact that he's not in it


As a rule - I don't. They remove Oakheart - no big deal. They combine Dornish princes - really, if they aren't going tell that part of the story - it is not a big loss. I recognize the casting budget - the relative unnecessity of Coldhands, for example (as he is not Benjen), or even LSH - to the broader plot strokes.

But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?

Now, maybe he finally makes an appearance, with a slightly modified backstory explained in a little exposition by Varys to Tyrion and Dany - certainly that could be done, but I would think we would have some minor rumor about this character before.

Maybe not, but it would be weird if he is a big player in the book and completely absent in the show.
Posted by wildtigercat93
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:31 pm to
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Another hint that Aegon is Blackfyre is the company of sellswords that is now in his service that broke their original contract with Myr because "Some contracts are writ in ink, and some in blood".


Varys also has a very telling quote about how the Dragons need to be placed in power to gain peace....who cares if it's a black dragon or a red one
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:31 pm to
Where is the sword Blackfyre is the real question in all this mess. I hope it's a pretty sweet reveal.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:34 pm to
That's what Daerons people said. Really hard to tell considering every Targaryen is the son of their brother-uncle and sister-cousin.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:37 pm to
I always thought in Littlefingers tapestries, but his arc doesn't play into that theory. My guess is Varys has it and will present it to Aegon.
Posted by Josh Fenderman
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:45 pm to
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?

Again, 2 different mediums. One has mentioned the three headed dragon prophecy, the other I don't recall it ever being mentioned.

The show may not have any need at all for 3 heads to a dragon.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:46 pm to
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.who cares if it's a black dragon or a red one


A dragon is a dragon. It's not like Daemon was a typical bastard from a prominent father and a woman peasant his dad decided to knock up. He is the son of a king and his first cousin, Princess Daena. Bloodraven (and his two full sisters), Bittersteel, and Sheira Seastar were all different in that they weren't of the same family. Daemon wasn't a pretender in the sense he was full on royalty from both of his parents.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 12:49 pm to
Agreed. I think the Dornish influence in Daeron's court plus the reaction of Bittersteel and other great lords to slights lead to Daemon rebelling. I think Daemon could've been a great king in his own right considering his actions in the Battle of the Redgrass fields.
Posted by Mr. Wayne
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:07 pm to
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I think the Dornish influence in Daeron's court plus the reaction of Bittersteel and other great lords to slights lead to Daemon rebelling


I've always found it hilarious that a bunch of incestuous royalty could look down on a bastard born character. Because your parents being siblings is so much better than his banging out of wedlock.

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I think Daemon could've been a great king in his own right considering his actions in the Battle of the Redgrass fields.


Without a doubt. The only real hit on Daeron as king is that Aerys was the result of his line. But then again, Daemons led to Maelys the Monstrous so not really a good alternative. All that sister banging finally cought up to both lines
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 1:16 pm to
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The show may not have any need at all for 3 heads to a dragon.


Maybe not, but it certainly seems convenient that Danys has 3 dragons.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 2:31 pm to
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree?

I agree with you; the dragon must have 3 heads. In the book and on the show.

I'm not ready to give up on Aegon's importance to the story just because of the show. He could simply be planned for season 6. I don't know what Aegon's endgame is going to be; BUT I think GRRM has been hiding this the Lost Dauphin since Book 1 and he must have a role to play in the fight for the Iron Throne.
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 5:50 pm to
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But, if the dragon truly has 3 heads and Young Griff(Aegon?) is going to be a player at the end, he will have to appear in the television show, wouldn't you agree? I agree with you; the dragon must have 3 heads. In the book and on the show. I'm not ready to give up on Aegon's importance to the story just because of the show. He could simply be planned for season 6. I don't know what Aegon's endgame is going to be; BUT I think GRRM has been hiding this the Lost Dauphin since Book 1 and he must have a role to play in the fight for the Iron Throne.


Have they said the dragon must have 3 heads in the show? If they have I can't remember

They for sure could introduce him season 6, but would have to streamline some stuff

Maybe in the show the dragon having 3 heads doesn't need to be all Targs. Maybe they just don't hit on it either
Posted by FT
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Posted on 6/30/15 at 9:12 pm to
I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre.

He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 6:16 pm to
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I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre. He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.


agreed

we'll know more when they do the new cast interviews, and put names out.

I don't think they've surprised us with anyone character wise. It's probably way too tough to have someone hidden character/actor just pop up without it having got out
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 7:20 pm to
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I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre.

He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.

I agree as well. And to be honest it's not a story-line that I miss in the show. I enjoyed it in the books but because I love Martin's writing style and I enjoyed reading about Tyrion's travels with Griff, Young Griff, Duck, Septa Lemore and crew aboard the Shy Maid. But really I never thought Young Griff would be an integral player in the end game.
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:30 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 8:36 am to
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Where is the sword Blackfyre is the real question in all this mess.


There seems to be a fetish for these missing swords - Blackfyre, Brightroar, Dark Sister, Lamentation, Orphan-Maker, Truth, Vigilance - all Valyrian, as well as the fabled Dawn and the real Lightbringer (which must bring light AND heat).


I think there is a crackpot theory (maybe in this monster somewhere) that Euron has been secretly rounding up all the missing Valyrian blades - as well as the other crackpot that Dawn=Lightbringer - but there seems to be more of them missing than in hands of current Westerosi - and, in case someone missed the memo - they're going to need these swords -
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 8:36 am
Posted by studentsect
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 9:01 am to
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I'm pretty sure Aegon won't be in the show, and therefore probably isn't a major player in the endgame. With only two seasons left, to randomly drop in a new Targaeryen (with a serious claim to the throne) that Hodors have never seen before would be bizarre.

He would need to have been hinted at at some point, and the show has never even tried to mention him as far as I remember.


At this point I expect the fates of the living Starks (+ Jon Snow), Dany, and Tywin's 3 children to be the same in both the show and the books; everything else is up in the air and can be manipulated to get those characters where they need to be.

For instance, even if Aegon does have a major role to play, and it turns out to be important for there to be a random Prince to come out of nowhere and claim the throne, show-Gendry could do it. In fact now that I think about it, with no more living Baratheons I think show-Gendry probably has the best claim to the throne at this point so it wouldn't be that much of a stretch.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 9:03 am
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 9:12 am to
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In fact now that I think about it, with no more living Baratheons


While Gendry certainly isn't the only surviving bastard - he clearly takes the Edric Storm role in the show - so if any bastard would get play for the throne, it would be him.

But that dastardly proof would be the problem - who with any credibility can say Gendry is Robert's bastard? Davos is about it. And who would listen?

The true Baratheons are gone - the Faux Baratheons are almost gone. Tommen better have eyes in the back of his head. You can't have peace beneath a false crown, baw.
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