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Posted on 6/23/15 at 11:18 am to PeteRose
Really dude? 
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:05 pm to wildtigercat93
I didn't know that "really" was an acceptable form of counter argument.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:08 pm to PeteRose
What argument? I'm not arguing with you crying over a fictional characters feelings
I'm not arguing with you crying over a fictional characters feelingsPosted on 6/23/15 at 12:10 pm to wildtigercat93
Why don't you go watch Gronk jerk off and hi-five with your friends. GRONK SMASH!!!!!! HE's SO AWESOME!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You would secretly swallow his shite.
You would secretly swallow his shite.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:12 pm to PeteRose
I think you need to step away from the computer for a little while.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:39 pm to PeteRose
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Why don't you go watch Gronk jerk off and hi-five with your friends. GRONK SMASH!!!!!! HE's SO AWESOME!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Posted on 6/23/15 at 12:55 pm to Byron Bojangles III
I am starting to like the idea that Jon Snow will be brought south to Lady Stoneheart. I was recently reminded that, in the show, Melisandre went to visit the Band of Brothers and learned of Thoros' resurrection powers. It would really bring the story of Cat and Jon full circle for her to give Jon her remaining life force.
Of course, Jon will have warged into Ghost, so that has to be factored in some how.
Of course, Jon will have warged into Ghost, so that has to be factored in some how.
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:17 pm to jrodLSUke
I feel like it has to be Mel to bring him back. She's at the wall in the show and the book.
I was hoping they'd surprise us with LSH in the show, but they didn't. I feel like Sansa will take that part up leading the BWB and uniting the North.
If the book comes out before season 6 then I'd be confident in Jon being on the show. I'm worried they may try to pull something with him not in S6 and coming back S7, but it seems they'd have to disregard the Wall story line if they do that.
I'm hoping S6 opening with Ghost walking around Jon, and some big craziness between the "for the watch" group and everyone else
I was hoping they'd surprise us with LSH in the show, but they didn't. I feel like Sansa will take that part up leading the BWB and uniting the North.
If the book comes out before season 6 then I'd be confident in Jon being on the show. I'm worried they may try to pull something with him not in S6 and coming back S7, but it seems they'd have to disregard the Wall story line if they do that.
I'm hoping S6 opening with Ghost walking around Jon, and some big craziness between the "for the watch" group and everyone else
Posted on 6/23/15 at 7:09 pm to putt23
Assuming (as I think almost everyone does), that Jon Snow is dead but not permanently dead, the question is what does his storyline look like going forward?
Jon has to die to be shed of his NW vows to open up his character for other arcs. I think that if the Wall is going to fall (and it pretty much has to, I would guess, to put the kingdom at peril from the White Walkers) then I’d think it falls either while Jon is dead or if he leaves the wall after his resurrection.
He might not have a choice but to leave if the NW somehow “revokes his membership” because he spent some time dead (sounds like the bit from Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy where HotBlack Desiato spent a year dead “for tax reasons”). Or maybe Ramsey recaptures Sansa and Jon, the Wildlings and other Northern forces march on Winterfell for that reason.
It’s actually kinda cool not knowing exactly how things will play out.
Jon has to die to be shed of his NW vows to open up his character for other arcs. I think that if the Wall is going to fall (and it pretty much has to, I would guess, to put the kingdom at peril from the White Walkers) then I’d think it falls either while Jon is dead or if he leaves the wall after his resurrection.
He might not have a choice but to leave if the NW somehow “revokes his membership” because he spent some time dead (sounds like the bit from Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy where HotBlack Desiato spent a year dead “for tax reasons”). Or maybe Ramsey recaptures Sansa and Jon, the Wildlings and other Northern forces march on Winterfell for that reason.
It’s actually kinda cool not knowing exactly how things will play out.
This post was edited on 6/23/15 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:21 pm to CottonWasKing
At 51:09 in Season Two, The Night Lands, when Jon Snow goes to see what Craster does with his boys, you can clearly hear a whispering in the woods that says "Valar Morghulis".
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:34 pm to Methuselah
Does the Wall have to fall? Or does it lose its magic if the Watch falls apart?
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:41 pm to Methuselah
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HotBlack Desiato spent a year dead “for tax reasons”
Pure awesomeness. And that's what scares me about the Fat Man, I don't want another favorite book series of mine to be left open because the author died before finishing, although I'm not sure if Adams truly had an end in sight with the increasingly misnamed Hitchhiker trilogy"
Posted on 6/25/15 at 11:53 pm to Athanatos
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Does the Wall have to fall? Or does it lose its magic if the Watch falls apart?
I'm guessing the Horn of Winter will be used to take it down.
But you would think that the Others would have to do is take boats or swim around the wall.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 7:33 am to Bamatab
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But you would think that the Others would have to do is take boats or swim around the wall.
This is problematic for me. The Others do seem to have some degree of sophistication/civilization with armor and weapons (though those are apparently "ice" weapons). It does not seem like boat building or at least use would be beyond their capacity.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 8:58 am to Methuselah
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The Others do seem to have some degree of sophistication/civilization with armor and weapons (though those are apparently "ice" weapons). It does not seem like boat building or at least use would be beyond their capacity.
They seem to be just as intelligent as humans (on the show definitely, but also in the books to some extent). Like you said, they have the knowledge to wear armor. Building boats shouldn't be that difficult of a feat for them.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:15 am to Methuselah
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The Others do seem to have some degree of sophistication/civilization with armor and weapons (though those are apparently "ice" weapons).
This is a disconnect - the books are more explicit about supernatural stuff, while the tv show has been more demure - but, clearly The Others (WW) are wholly supernatural beings - and part of that is bound up in whatever "magic" is incorporated in The Wall to stop them. In the show, they absolutely stopped at the water's edge - whether for dramatic effect or not, it appears that crossing large bodies of water or salt water is not an option for them or their wights/zombies.
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It does not seem like boat building or at least use would be beyond their capacity.
I don't think that's the issue - obviously they've had the opportunity to capture boats before and haven't done so.
(ETA: Recall that in the books that Coldhands couldn't even travel through one of the gates in the wall at the Nightfort.)
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 9:17 am
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:23 am to Ace Midnight
Im sure once they're powerful enough, if they cant cross the wall, sea water would be more than willing to freeze solid for them to cross.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:25 am to Bamatab
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I'm guessing the Horn of Winter will be used to take it down.
I suspect this as well - it is one big stalemate with the wall up - with the wall down, they better start rounding up Valyrian steel (I guess "someone" has already been doing that -
)Posted on 6/26/15 at 9:39 am to Ace Midnight
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ETA: Recall that in the books that Coldhands couldn't even travel through one of the gates in the wall at the Nightfort.
But this I get since the wall itself was made with magic, it's kind of like a magical force field. Like on the show when the wights tried to follow Bran and his crew into the cave and they all fell to pieces. Those entrances are still covered.
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This is a disconnect - the books are more explicit about supernatural stuff, while the tv show has been more demure - but, clearly The Others (WW) are wholly supernatural beings - and part of that is bound up in whatever "magic" is incorporated in The Wall to stop them. In the show, they absolutely stopped at the water's edge - whether for dramatic effect or not, it appears that crossing large bodies of water or salt water is not an option for them or their wights/zombies.
But I wouldn't think that the magical "force field" expands past the edges of the wall, and out a long way into the oceans. And just because we haven't seen them taking boats, I don't think that necessarily means that they are like vampires and can't cross moving waters (or sea waters in this case). I mean, that may be the reason (especially as you point out, that they didn't pursue the escapees at Hardhome), but we sure don't know that yet.
ETA: But yeah, I definitely think that they will just have someone use the Horn of Winter and not even address the reason why they can't just go around the wall, which is fine with me. Since they have already set up the horn, I'd probably be a little ticked off if they never used it.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 9:47 am
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