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re: Was Disney always this bad?
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:18 pm to LSUfan4444
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:18 pm to LSUfan4444
quote:I agree with all of this. We've been over a hundred times (used to live near there and were annual passholders for many years), and we've enjoyed every trip. I hated having to do fast passes so far in advance, which meant I didn't get to do some of the experiences such as Flight of Passage in the past. With the new Lightning Lane, we were able to do it with no wait.
re there some things I like less, sure (no Magical Express, park hopping after 2, park reservations).
Are there things I like more (mobile ordering available so many more places, Genie +, Individual Lightning Lane), sure.
My experiences today are no worse than what they were 8 years ago but they are different.
Some of the changes are for the good, and there will always be improvements that can still be made. We'll still go back again. But now we go once every 2 years or so.
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Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:43 pm to AFtigerFan
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I hated having to do fast passes so far in advance, which meant I didn't get to do some of the experiences such as Flight of Passage in the past. With the new Lightning Lane, we were able to do it with no wait.
But lightning lane is extra $$$$ and for a family of 5 for example that adds up if you go 3-4 days. The old fast pass system was free. The OG fast pass system you just printed out tickets on site. There's been a couple generations of changes.
I agree the planning ahead is absurd because for the most part you HAVE to do it. Just showing up on a remotely busy day without any plan at all and your efficiency is likely to be well under 50% of someone that planned well. Back in the OG fast pass day you could just show up with a rough plan in your head and do a lot of stuff.
Its not just the rides either, its the show times and what not. If you want to really enjoy the parks the shows IMO are one of the best parts. I've been frustrated with the lack of shows considering how many people they entertain and for how long.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 4:23 pm to dewster
I will provide many, many opportunities and experiences for my kids. I have no guilt depriving them of Disney. It looks like the most miserable thing one could do. I dont get it.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:48 am to kywildcatfanone
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Do people pull their kids out of school to take them to Disney?
When my youngest was on the dance team and they competed at WDW, my oldest was a senior. She grabbed a couple flyers for WDW college program. It counted as visiting a college, excused absents.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 1:30 pm to LSUfan4444
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They would DEFINITELY be worse if I tried to do the same thing I did then and expect the same result.
Lol no shite, since you can’t do the same thing you use to because it no longer exists.
Cost alone to do the skips degrades the experience. You may want to gloss over that fact, but that is a big negative to the current system. If you want to exclude money from the conversation, then we can invite someone that just goes VIP to the conversation.
I’d definitely trade the modern conveniences for some of the low crowd days and festivals we got 8 years ago. Food and wine has changed a lot in the past decade for instance. Maybe a bit back further than that, always forget the last 3 years that all sorta run together.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
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people pull their kids out of school to take them to Disney
We do, it's an excused absence for them
Posted on 1/25/23 at 8:33 pm to baldona
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But lightning lane is extra $$$$
And?
If you want the perk of shorter wait times, why shouldn't there be a cost??
Honestly I wish disney would up the price for them so it's even less crowded in the lightning lanes.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 5:24 am to Dam Guide
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Cost alone to do the skips degrades the experience. You may want to gloss over that fact, but that is a big negative to the current system. If you want to exclude money from the conversation, then we can invite someone that just goes VIP to the conversation.
The key for the guest is to off-set the additional costs so they are not additional. Again, having a different approach. M
For some people (depending on family size) that may mean 1-02 less table service meals, no $200 Chef Mickey breakfast kids...sorry. For some it may mean to stay off-site, fly into Tampa and rent a car rather than MCO to save money that way, maybe drive over fly, maybe one less park day, maybe skip the water park or not getting a drink in every country in epcot, maybe spend less in Disney Springs, etc etc etc.
The "add ons" can often be found in the existing and previous budget but it takes making adjustments.
Trying to Disney now the way someone did it 10 years ago will result in a more expensive vacation and likely a declined experience BUT that doesn't mean it had to be worse.
The cost of things like Individual Lightning Lanes and G+ isn't being glossed over or ignored at all and in fact, I prefer it. I prefer the opportunity to buy them the day of rather then having to book them weeks in advance. The additional cost (that some people just can't figure out because they just HAVE to get their annual trip to Crystal Palace) lessens the use which increases the value.
In January of 2022 we went for the marathon for the same amount of time that we did in 2020. Sure, the resort was more expensive, so were tickets, so was food and we paid extra for Ills and G+ but we waited less in line overall and had a more enjoyable experience from a planning perspective and an daily execution and flexibility approach. No need to stick around in a park just waiting on a FP+ reservation I made weeks ago and just couldn't move because we thought we would still be in Epcot but decided to hope over to Hollywood Studios. because a week before our stay they announced Fantasmic would be returning (for example).
Sure, it means we only did ONE table service but we did California Grill, spent extra and enjoyed the Magic Kingdom fireworks without having to fight the crowds on Main Street. Since we stayed at the same resort (Boardwalk Villa) we spent extra on the two bedroom that has a full kitchen so we ate more meals in the room. BUT, that wasn't an issue because we spent less time actually in the parks because we paid for G+ and ILLs to shorten our wait time.
The point is, there are ways to have an improved experience (or at least nothing less then before) and purchase those time saving add-ons like G+ and ILLs without having to go VIP and without the need to add it on top of the budget BUT it takes making changes and reprioritizing the value of things on the "must do" list.
Just deciding to eat breakfast every day in the room (via instacart, amazon delivery, garden grocer, one uber trip to Publix, etc) can save almost every family the money they need for genie + and individual lighting lanes.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:55 am to TigerDat
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And? If you want the perk of shorter wait times, why shouldn't there be a cost?? Honestly I wish disney would up the price for them so it's even less crowded in the lightning lanes.
Because that’s not comparing apples to apples.
If I argued I only stayed in all stars and the lodging sucks on Disney you can’t come in and say stay at a premium resort for 10x more and it’s awesome.
Disney offers a package or used to that come with a guide and is a fast pass for every ride. I think it’s like $10,000 / day for up to 4 people.
I’m sure that’s amazing, but acting like that’s the average Disney experience is great is absurd.
Yes you can still pay a shite ton and have a great Disney time. The point of this thread is the avg experience for the avg cost at Disney has gone down drastically. That’s undeniable.
If you want to say to increase the cost and reduce the amount of people, fine. But requiring upgrades to have a good time sucks.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 12:11 pm to baldona
quote:8 people. You basically just get to lightning lane anything with a personal guide.
Disney offers a package or used to that come with a guide and is a fast pass for every ride. I think it’s like $10,000 / day for up to 4 people.
Only makes sense at MK, but you can do every good ride in the park in a day with minimal waiting.
quote:Pretty shitty to be honest. I don't understand why people choose to go often... especially adults.
acting like that’s the average Disney experience is great is absurd.
The only way it's a good experience is if you have the VIP tour, or you have someone in your group that has a DAS pass (disability).
Otherwise, MK is alot of waiting in line, rope drops/late nights, jumping around to get as many rides in as possible, and playing on the Genie+ app all day.
Epcot, AK, Hollywood aren't bad with Genie+ and LL purchases. You can do most of them in a day without too much of a fuss, but you have to pay for all of the premiums and add-ons for that.
I'm sure I'll get forced to go back once or twice more, but I'm already feeling miserable and broke just thinking about it.
Posted on 1/26/23 at 1:39 pm to LSUfan4444
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The key for the guest is to off-set the additional costs so they are not additional. Again, having a different approach.
Your reprioritizing is eliminating experiences you previously had that others may not have had. You figured out you either didn't like or could live without experiences and reduce your cost by having non Disney experiences. Others may want to experience more of Disney as they don't go as much. The previous experience for a not as common visitor was a better value than the current experience. People like us that visit all the time can take or leave a lot of experiences as we get them all the time, but it's pretty clear the new experience is a downgrade for a lot of people.
This post was edited on 1/26/23 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/26/23 at 7:58 pm to dewster
quote:It's really the most aggravating place on Earth. A lady at work takes her family there every single year and cant imaging going a vacation to somewhere new.
It’s not fun.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 11:41 am to dewster
Universal is taking over Orlando. We were in Orlando back in August 2022, and never even thought about Disney. Disney has gone too corporate and boring.
Posted on 1/27/23 at 1:19 pm to benoit_BayouBengals
I can’t wait for Epic Universe, if they put as much effort into it as they do the parts of Harry Potter they have done in other parks, it should be pretty freakin good. Can’t wait to go out to Super Nintendo in LA.
If Pokémon goes in, shite is gonna be insane.
If Pokémon goes in, shite is gonna be insane.
This post was edited on 1/27/23 at 1:20 pm
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