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NYC now vs. mid-2000s
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:28 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:28 am
We last visited NYC in 2006 and back then it had been a pleasant experience. Supposedly Giuliani had done a lot for the city in his time there, so this was on the back end of that. Has it changed since then, such that visiting would be a similar experience today (COVID notwithstanding)?
What was it like just before COVID? May be optimistic thinking that it could at least return to that?
What was it like just before COVID? May be optimistic thinking that it could at least return to that?
This post was edited on 8/9/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:31 am to meeple
Have you seen the crime stats?
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:37 am to jbgleason
I’ve heard people here and there, but not specifically. Wanted to hear from someone familiar with the then and now. Are we talking 80s-era NYC here?
Posted on 8/9/20 at 8:47 am to meeple
It’s been 6 years since I’ve been and we are planning on going back this fall.
But man it does not look good.
But man it does not look good.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 1:53 pm to meeple
You would not notice any difference
Posted on 8/9/20 at 2:32 pm to GynoSandberg
Why the hell would anybody want to take ANY urban vacation in this environment? I mean, the people who actually live in these cities have fled in droves. The governor is begging everybody to come back.
There have been more shootings so far this year in New York City than in all of 2019.
Real estate values are plummeting. Crashing. No demand.
About a half million people have left the city.
The police are not enforcing many laws on the books.
Restaurants and stores are closed.
Broadway is down.
Hotels have ghost staffs.
The upper west side is getting kind of scary with homeless and drugs.
It's possibly the worst place in America now for retail.
After SF, it's the worst place to be in America right now.
There have been more shootings so far this year in New York City than in all of 2019.
Real estate values are plummeting. Crashing. No demand.
About a half million people have left the city.
The police are not enforcing many laws on the books.
Restaurants and stores are closed.
Broadway is down.
Hotels have ghost staffs.
The upper west side is getting kind of scary with homeless and drugs.
It's possibly the worst place in America now for retail.
After SF, it's the worst place to be in America right now.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:16 pm to meeple
Elections have consequences. You are seeing the consequences of those elections.
Rudy spearheaded the complete turnaround of that city starting in the 90's to after 9/11. Bloomberg took over & even though he had faults he is 100% a capitalist & kept the train rolling. Then they elected De Blasio(actual name-Warren Wilhelm Jr) & now you see the debacle that has turned into.
Rudy spearheaded the complete turnaround of that city starting in the 90's to after 9/11. Bloomberg took over & even though he had faults he is 100% a capitalist & kept the train rolling. Then they elected De Blasio(actual name-Warren Wilhelm Jr) & now you see the debacle that has turned into.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 3:32 pm to meeple
I’ve been to New York once a year for the past several years, most recently in December of 2019. I’ve never felt unsafe in Manhattan, and I’ve walked several blocks in the middle of the night on more than one occasion.
Posted on 8/9/20 at 4:08 pm to meeple
I was there a couple of years ago and it was great. We took the subway all over even late at night with no issues.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 6:14 am to Lsupimp
Lmao
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:13 pm to meeple
It's always the same - Chicago, European capitals, NYC, etc.
People read stories or watch youtube videos and then come away thinking the junkies are back on every corner in Manhattan, jihadists are roaming the streets of Munich or the like.
It becomes some polarized thing where it seems like it can't possibly be simultaneously true that a) these cities are still quite safe for tourists and you're unlikely to encounter any issues and b) that there are real, growing problems and residents who are there day after day to see incremental change notice and react.
We're in the latter category in Atlanta. But unless you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or are regularly plugged in to local news, a weekend visit wouldn't reveal much difference.
People read stories or watch youtube videos and then come away thinking the junkies are back on every corner in Manhattan, jihadists are roaming the streets of Munich or the like.
It becomes some polarized thing where it seems like it can't possibly be simultaneously true that a) these cities are still quite safe for tourists and you're unlikely to encounter any issues and b) that there are real, growing problems and residents who are there day after day to see incremental change notice and react.
We're in the latter category in Atlanta. But unless you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time or are regularly plugged in to local news, a weekend visit wouldn't reveal much difference.
Posted on 8/10/20 at 3:20 pm to Pettifogger
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It becomes some polarized thing where it seems like it can't possibly be simultaneously true that a) these cities are still quite safe for tourists and you're unlikely to encounter any issues and b) that there are real, growing problems and residents who are there day after day to see incremental change notice and react.
So true, and the same can be said of NOLA, an incredibly violent, dangerous place by statistical measure.
NYC is as OK to visit as any other place in the middle of a pandemic. No, things aren’t normal, but no place is “normal” right now for tourists.
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