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22 Nights in Europe

Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:19 pm
Posted by TheJunction
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Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:19 pm
Hey guys, my wife and I are finalizing our itinerary for a twenty-two night trip in Europe and we wanted to get some feedback and thoughts.

I have listed our itinerary below. The towns are set in stone, along with the activities that I have bolded.

May 27 Depart Jackson for Munich

28 Arrive in Munch - travel to Salzburg (3 nights)
* On the trip to Salzburg we plan to stop by Fricking, Austria because I'm a child. We plan to be in Salzburg by lunch and plan to explore Old Town, Mozart's Birthplace, the Cathedral and will end the day at Hohensalzburg Fortress.

29 Salzburg
* We have a Sound of Music tour booked for in the morning. Following the tour we plan to explore Salzburg some more and end the night at the Augustiner Braustubl.

30 Salzburg
* Plan to do a day trip to Berchtesgaden. First going to the Eagles Nest and then the Berghof and bunkers at Hotel sun Turken before going onto the town of Berchtesgaden. We are also thinking of stopping by the St. Sebastian's Parish Church and Lake Hintersee.
* If we do not do Berchtesgaden we are going to take the cog railway to the top of Schafberg. After Schafberg we are going to explore St. Gilgen and St. Wolfgang.

31 Salzburg to Hallstatt (2 nights)
* Plan to drive to Obertraun and go to the 5Fingers overlook. After the Overlook we plan to do the Heilbronner Circular Trail.

June 1 Hallstatt
* We have a Salt Mine tour in Hallstatt scheduled for in the morning. After the salt mine tour we plan on staying in Hallstatt relaxing near the lake. If the weather is nice we are planning on renting an electric boat to go out onto the water.

2 Hallstatt to Fussen (2 nights)
* Plan on leaving our hotel in Hallstatt early and traveling to the Partnach Gorge. After exploring the Gorge we are planning on eating lunch in Garmish-Partenkirchen and then continuing onto the Ehrenburg Castle ruins and Highline 179. After the ruins/Highline we will continue onto Fussen.

3 Fussen
* Neuschwanstein Castle tour scheduled for in the morning. Planning on stopping by the Marienbrucke Bridge on the way to/from the castle. After the castle we plan on going back to Fussen and exploring the Old Town.

4 Fussen to Lucerne (1 night)
* Plan to do the "Free Walk Lucerne" tour, as well as check out the Farmers Market.

5 Lucerne to Interlaken (3 nights)
* Waking up early to see the Chapel Bridge before it gets crowded. May hang around Lucerne until lunch depending on what all we did the day before. After leaving Lucerne and the weather is pretty we plan on driving to Lauterbrunnen and doing the Männlichen to Kleine Scheidegg walking trail.

6 Interlaken
* We have a Canyoning trip scheduled for in the morning and a paragliding trip scheduled for the in afternoon. Hope we survive the latter and are able to finish out the trip.. Will probably explore Interlaken itself after paragliding.

7 Interlaken
* Plan for this to be our hiking day if the weather is pretty. Going to do the Mountain View Trail from Grutshalp to Allmendhubel and than onto Murren. From Murren we plan on hiking down to Gimmelwald. Will probably take a cablecar from Gimmelwald to Stechelberg and than walk from Stechelberg back to Lauterbrunnen.

8 Interlaken to Colmar (3 nights)
* Trying to talk my wife into doing the Murren-Gimmelwald Via Ferreta if the weather is nice. I think I've almost talked her into it. If not, we plan to spend the morning and into the early afternoon hiking - not sure where at this time and then go on to Colmar. Likely will not do all of this in Day 8, but in Colmar we plan to check out Little Venice, see the Pfister and Kolfhus houses and general exploring around the Grand Ru.

9 Colmar
* If the weather is nice, we plan to be at Chateau du Haut-Koenigsbourg when it opens. From there we will go to Riquewihr, besides seeing the town my wife really wants to go to the Christmas shop. From Riquewihr we plan to go to Kaysersberg. Plan to see the glass-makers at work at the Verrerie d’Art De Kayserberg and also check out the castle ruins.

10 Colmar
* Plan to be at Eguisheim in the morning before the other tourists and do a walk through the town. After Eguisheim is up in the air. I want to go to the Le Linge battlefield site, while my wife wants to go to Strasbourg. So we will probably be going to Strasbourg. In Strasbourg we plan to do the Tasty Trips Pass, see the Strasbourg Cathedral, and are also thinking of touring the Historic Wine Cellar of Strasbourg Hospices.

11 Colmar to Bayeux (4 night)
* Dropping car off in Germany and have an early train out of Offenberg to Paris. We plan to drive from Paris to Giverny to see Monet's Gardens. Plan to also eat lunch in Giverny. From Giverny we will continue on-to Bayeux. Depending on the time and how we feel we may try to stop go by the Bayeux Cathedral or the Tapestry.

12 Bayeux
* Full day Band of Brothers/Omaha WWII tour. Probably the day I most looking forward too. Our tour includes most of the sites that I had planned on seeing except for the Angoville-au-Plain church and the Longues-sur-Mer.

13 Bayeux
*Need help here. Bought tickets to tour Mont Saint-Michel and we want to take a "scenic" route off of the highways/toll roads to get there. Any suggestions? Michilin Maps recommends going through St. Lo and Avranches. My wife wants to see MSM at sunset so we'll be in the morning and early afternoon. Planning to stay in Bayeux until lunch.

14 Bayeux
* This day is up in the air. A few ideas we have thrown around include going to Etratat and seeing the cliffs, or going to Honfleur to see the docks and St. Catherines Church and stopping by Trouville and Deauville on our way back to Bayeux. Finally we have thought of going to Caen and spending the day. If we went to Caen we plan to do the Chateau de Caen, Abbaye aux Hommes, La Colline aux Olseaux, and the Memorial de Caen.

15 Bayeux to Paris (4 nights)
* We do not have to have our rental car turned in until 9:00 PM so we can take our time driving from Bayeux to Paris. Really do not have any plans, could possibly do either Caen or Honfleur depending on what we decide to do on the previous day. Any suggestions are much appreciated!

16 Paris
* We have a full day TakeWalks tour scheduled.
17 Paris
18 Paris
19 Paris to USA

Transportation: We will be picking up a car in Munich and driving through Colmar. At Colmar we will drop our car across the border in Germany and take a train to Paris. In Paris we will pick up another car for the drive to Bayeux. The car will be dropped back off outside Paris. We will take a train into Paris.

Thank y'all so much in advance for helping us plan this pre-baby trip.
This post was edited on 5/27/19 at 12:08 pm
Posted by Phat Phil
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Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:35 pm to
Hallstatt is located right by Salzburg. I can skip Vienna or Salzburg but I can't skip Hallstatt.


Posted by TheJunction
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2014
953 posts
Posted on 12/2/18 at 8:59 pm to
I’ve seen that picture a handful of times since we’ve started planning our trip and every time I do a double take. Salzburg is a must-do for my wife because of the Sound of Music tours, but that is it.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 12/2/18 at 9:59 pm to
My wife and I have done multiple 21 day trips to europe and looking at your itinerary, my first thought is that is a lot of moving around. We have done the 2 or 3 nights in each place and it starts to be a grind after 10 days or so. We now prefer to do a minimum of 4 nights in each place with maybe one place for 1 or 2 nights. And we also will stay for 5-7 days in one larger city and do some day trips from there.
Posted by TheJunction
Mississippi
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Posted on 12/2/18 at 10:30 pm to
We are worried that it is to much too. The trip was originally a Switzerland-Alsace region-Bayeux-Paris trip. Staying in Switzerland for eight days and each location in France 4-5 days check. We fell in love with Austria and southern Germany when we started doing research on Switzerland.

We have considered taking out the Alsace portion of the trip and spreading those days out in Austria and southern Germany. Thoughts?

With the way the intinerary is shaping up, I know the practical answer is to do Paris and and Normandy on another trip, but my wife has planned on going to Paris for months now and won’t consider not going.

I’ve struggled with eliminating Alsace just because I hate for Paris-Normandy to be all that we see and do in France.
This post was edited on 12/2/18 at 10:43 pm
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 7:15 am to
What time will you arrive in Paris & then drive to MSM? It’s 4.5 hours, and the initial part of getting out of Paris is the most challenging (traffic/navigation). So think about how rested/alert you will be, and what time you will end up at MSM.

I agree with dropping Alsace....I’d expand the Normandy section of your trip to include the edge of Brittany—instead of just going directly to MSM, stop for the night in Rouen, go all the way to St. Malo as well, and maybe add Cancale (oysters, eaten at the harbor, is def fun). Normandy also offers Monet’s gardens at Giverny, the hilltop fortress at Les Andelys (very near Giverny), and a slew of other options. Or expand to the northwest a bit and see Etretat (gorgeous sea cliffs) and Honfleur.

If you’re going to Austria/Germany, then German-inflected Alsace is similar..
Posted by TheJunction
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:12 am to
Nothing set in stone, but tentatively looking at getting to Paris 1:00 PM if we left from Alsace.

We haven’t considered anything in Normandy outside of Bayeux and MSM. We will definitely give the towns you listed a look. Alsace is looking less and less appealing the more research we do just based on travel time.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 8:57 am to
Maybe consider taking the train from Paris to Rouen for an afternoon/night, then picking up a rental car there.

You could drive from Rouen to Etretat ( see pics here: LINK ), then head west toward Honfleur and visit the swath of eastern D-Day beaches on the way to Bayeux. Spend a few days in Bayeux, do some more D-Day beaches tourism, then keep going southwest to MSM. Decide whether MSM is going to be just a day trip, or an overnight to see it after the tourist hordes leave & if you want to see the tides change. Keep going to Cancale for oysters, then go to St. Malo.

You could return the rental car in St. Malo & take the train back to Paris (3 hrs)....or if you wanted to see more of the area, return the car in Caen or go all the way back to Rouen to return car & then train to Paris.

I had a really lovely time in Normandy last fall; I picked up a car @ CDG, drove to Giverny/LesAndelys, then on to Bayeau & area over a week or so, returning the car to the airport. Hence my advice to take the train to Rouen, spend a night, pick up car & proceed...and to return car out of Paris.
This post was edited on 12/3/18 at 9:01 am
Posted by LoneStarRanger
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 10:50 am to
I would highly suggest consolidating just a bit.

I adore Colmar, but unless you are visiting a bunch of wineries and want to stay there for that, then maybe just a day trip via Paris?

Lucerne is good for 2 nights/3 days (Lucerne/Interlaken aren't very different as far as things to do, uniqueness)(other than architecture and size)

I would prefer to have a place to stay in Interlaken, a nice relaxing place with a view, and then just drive/train to Lucerne. Or the exact opposite!

Same with Bayeaux. Unless you plan for hanging about with not much to do.

St Michel? Unless you just want to stay in/on St Michel, then throw that in with Bayeux (you'll have a car, correct?)



And I always suggest staying longer in Paris. It truly is a city you need a lifetime for. You can always use it as a base of operations.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:04 pm to
quote:

Same with Bayeaux. Unless you plan for hanging about with not much to do.

I assumed that the time in Bayeux would be spent visiting the extensive WWII sites of the region, easily accessible by car. There are plenty of historic sites to fill up a couple of days, or more for the history enthusiast.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:16 pm to
Yeah I would agree that's a lot of small to medium sized towns for 3-4 days. There's always plenty to do, but there won't be a ton to do. It will be a lot of very relaxed walks because you have plenty of time.

I would recommend staying one place that has multiple side trip options for 5-6 nights in the middle of your stay. Cut some of the other places down 1 night. That way you have a long break to rest and not pack and un pack.

The worst part easily is for my wife to pack and unpack. Takes her a good 2 hours each and she is not really settled until she does so. I just live out of my carry on and shaving kit.

I would also not recommend Paris as your only big city at the end. Big cities like Paris tend to wear me down, just dealing with the sensory overload and so much going on. I much prefer the big city first, and then the small towns after to settle down and relax.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:26 pm to
People unpack? I have never unloaded a suitcase in my entire life while traveling. I remove clean stuff, have a pile of dirty stuff that gets either rewashed and repacked, or repacked in the appropriate pocket for dirty stuff. Less stuff, fewer choices, freer and happier vacation.
Posted by Fat Harry
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:33 pm to
Munich is worth spending some time in. My wife loves the markets, River Isen, Augustiner, etc.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 12/3/18 at 12:37 pm to
Have you figured out your rental car situation OP? Returning them in another country is very expensive. I don't see you returning anywhere. So that's something to consider.
Posted by TheJunction
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2014
953 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 5:55 pm to
Thank you all for the replies, was not expecting this many when I got home from work. I'll try to reply to everyone individually.

Hungry - thanks again for the additional info on Normandy. Right now we have a full day Overlord tour planned for Bayeux and I am expecting a second day full of WWII sites in the area. I am a big WWII buff and this portion of the trip is the highlight for me.

LoneStar - This thread is pushing us to consolidate even more. We are heavily leaning towards taking out the Alsace portion of the trip and spreading those days out in the other cities. We may get to Paris and regret not staying longer. We are not "big city" people and we both think after three nights we'll be more than ready to go home, but Paris being Paris we might be way wrong.

Do you have any other recommendations in Switzerland if not Interlaken and Lucerne? Also do you have any recs for adrenaline activities ie. bungee jumping, paragliding, etc.? We are looking to do something like that while in Switzerland.

Fat Harry - Duly noted, we have not done much to any research on Munich. Will give it a good look, especially if we decide to take out Alsace.

Baldona - As the plan stands now, we are renting a car in Munich and will not be taking the car back until we get to Alsace where will hop over to Germany to drop it off in Offenberg. I am way to cheap to pay the return fee if out of country.

Posted by TheJunction
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2014
953 posts
Posted on 12/3/18 at 6:00 pm to
Like I said in the above post, we are leaning towards taking out Alsace. Using the itinerary above, how would y'all spread the days we are not using in Alsace throughout the rest of the trip? In particular Bavaria.


Posted by Boss
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:08 am to
We just took a trip like this last summer but in reverse. Started in London, then Mont St. Michel/Bayeaux, Paris, Colmar, Black Forest, Bavaria (Fussen), Munich, then Rome.

Things I would have done differently. I would have just made a stop in Colmar/Strasbourg. We stayed a night, and it really could have been done on a pass by. The high speed train from Strasbourg into Paris is nice.

We stayed 4 nights in Fussen, at an incredible Air bnb with vies of both castles. That being said, I would have done two nights. We spent a lot of time in Reutte and the surrounding areas. We went up to Zugspitze from the Austrian side and it was really cool. Hit the Roldabahns, they can be a ton of fun. My family still has the scars from them.

We rented a car in Offenburg as well. Took a local train from Salzbourg there and dropped in Munich when we flew to Rome. So I would do the reverse and train to Paris from Salzbourg.

Remember, Sundays are waste days. Nothing is open, so make sure it is either a travel day or an outside type day.

We only spent one night in Bayeaux and wish it would have been longer. I didn't have enough time to see everything. We spent 4 nights in Paris, and could have spent a week. It is an amazing city. We stayed in two different spots, and the second spot closer to the old city was more walkable and nicer.

We skipped Switzerland because expense and travel, but if you are driving there and then dropping back in Germany it won't be a problem. Remember to get a sticker when you goto Austria or Switzerland for your car. They are 10-15 euros and you can grab them at a gas station.

An underrated spot we went to was the Black Forest area. Just a really neat spot. A bunch of small towns, easily drivable. We spent two nights there and it was well worth it. We stayed at an Air bnb and the grandfather still handmade clock faces for cuckoo clocks, which was really, really cool.

Have a lot more info. You guys look to be doing a very similar route but subbing Switzerland in for London and Rome. We did that for flight purposes and because my son's bucket list was going to the Colloseum.
Posted by baldona
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 7:14 am to
quote:

o you have any other recommendations in Switzerland if not Interlaken and Lucerne? Also do you have any recs for adrenaline activities ie. bungee jumping, paragliding, etc.? We are looking to do something like that while in Switzerland.


Check out Canyoning. One of the coolest things I've ever done, my wife and I did it in the Italian Alps. You start at the top of a high mountain gorge and work your way down the rocky clear water creek. You take the natural rock slides down and cliff jump into the pools of crystal clear water. You Abseil (rope down) any big drops. I've NEVER abseiled, and we started with a 10ft then did a 30 ft and finished with a 120ft. One of the scariest things I've ever done, but cool as shite. The 120 Abseil into a pool of water was insane. The highest jump was 30ft. There were 8 of us and every HAD to abseil but the jumps had ways around.

My wife's friend from Nashville that married a German guy recommended it, and both of them were like this is something you could never do in the USA due to liability.





This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 7:22 am
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Have you figured out your rental car situation OP? Returning them in another country is very expensive.
Negative there, Ghostrider.



A C Class MB is $1,800 for 4 weeks and an E Class is $2,100.
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 11:52 am to
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