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TheJunction
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re: 22 Nights in Europe
Boss - Sounds like y'all had a great trip and saw a lot. The colosseum is incredible. What are you recommendations for the Black Forrest area?

Anymore info you are willing to give is much appreciated, it is still very much in the air on what we do about Alsace.

Baldoria - Canyoning looks awesome. It's looking like we will do at least one of these three: canyoning, hang gliding, and bungee jumping. The first two are my top picks and my wife is all in on bungee jumping, so we will probably bungee jump haha!


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pre-baby trip


Smart move...these trips tend to shrink afterwards. Ours went from 17 & 21 day journeys to an 8-day trip this year

I do think Munich deserves more than just a trip to Salzburg from the airport. It'll also be nice to get your bearings after the flight. Maybe take 2 nights if you can.

Salzburg deserves at least 2 nights, and no more than 3. Don't miss the Augustiner Kloster Mülln...my favorite biergarten anywhere in the world.

If going to Hallstatt, keep in mind it's tourists during the day and quiet at night. The evening on the lake was one I'll never forget. We stayed one night but I understand that's tough to do on these 3-week trips.

We day-tripped to Fussen/Neuschwanstein from Munich, and I'd recommend that. The town is nice, but I didn't see much reason to stay the night there unless doing Hohenschwangau too.

I can't recommend the Interlaken-area enough, and we chose Mürren for our lodging. The Lauterbrunnen valley & surrounding areas are incredible. 3 nights in that area worked for us, but keep in mind the Jungfau/Schilthorn trips are weather-dependent. Pick the sunniest day and go up on the first or second lift of the day.

I'd say Paris deserves maybe an extra day, especially if it's your final stop. I've rushed both London & Rome in the same situation and learned lessons from that.

A good balance between big cities and small towns will enhance the enjoyment you get out of your trip.

(Also...I have never rented a car in Europe. We like trains and in the areas you're going, they're on time and dependable)


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Haha we are worried that it'll be the last non-beach or Disney trip we take in the next thirty years.. Munich seems like an awesome city and we've thought a lot about staying there for a few days if we trim some time from Fussen or the Alsace portion of the trip.

I just updated our itenarary to be in Salzburg for three nights instead of two, with the idea of doing a day trip to Hallstatt on one of our full days. Will for sure keep it in mind about the tourists and lake.

Other than Normandy (I'm a big WWII buff) the Switzerland portion of the trip is the one I am most excited about. Right now we are planning to skip Jungfau for Schilltorn. Thoughts? Any other outdoor recommendations that you'd recommend while we are in Interlaken?

Almost to a person we are being told to spend more time in Paris and we've done our research trying to get excited about the idea of staying longer, but it just hasn't happened. Maybe we are just hard headed haha.





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Haha we are worried that it'll be the last non-beach or Disney trip we take in the next thirty years..

Umm, you absolutely do not have to take any Disney or beach trips w/your kids. Don’t raise them to be consumers of Disney dreck, and they won’t clamor to go there. Even if they clamor to go there, you can refuse and take them to a lakeside chalet in Switzerland. Hell, the lakeside chalet is probably cheaper. (I’m anti-Disney and constantly trying to convince people that their Disney money will get them pretty nice Euro vacations, if they’ll just plan a little.)


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Man I could absolutely not agree more. I should have substituted "we" for "I".


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My 5 year old daughter has been to DC, Seattle, Jackson Hole multiple times, London for 8 days, etc. Disney too but we live in Fl.

You have to change your trips but Europe with kids is very easy. Getting to Europe is hard with kids, but Europe in general is MUCH more kid friendly than the states once you are there. Its much more family based and with many countries being very liberal with high taxes have tons of community/ public support.

Given that, Paris is one of the easiest places in Europe to return. Do what you guys want to THIS trip. Its very easy, even with kids, to return to Paris.

The Alps are fantastic. Absolutely something to look forward to. This ice cave is about 60 minutes south of Salzburg, I highly recommend:
Ice cave


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re: 22 Nights in Europe
We both think we would regret it if we spent to much time in Paris and not enough in Normandy/Alps. We can't wait to experience it.

I appreciate the ice cave rec. at a quick glance it looks awesome. Any other recs similar that we should see in the area, or must-do day trips from Salzburg other than Hallstatt? Plan on staying three nights in Salzburg.



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Plan on staying three nights in Salzburg.

Salzburg is a pretty quiet, low key place. It offers modest charms, like the views from the fortress, several nice beergardens, charming streets, lots of confectionaries selling Mozartkugeln, classical music concerts, and many opportunities for solid Austrian food. I'm not much help w/side trips, but food in Salzburg:
--there is a branch of the famed Sacher hotel; it has a tea room serving a wide array of amazing pastries/cakes, including the OG version of the Sacher torte. Can be crowded & slow due to the tourist trade, but it is a pleasant room on a cold day, with great hot chocolate and comfy seats.
--Stiftsbäckerei St Peter, a small bakery in the St Peter monastery; flour is ground on site from a historic watercourse/river diversion in operation since the Middle Ages. Wood fired ovens, traditional baked goods, and locals queuing up to buy bread after Mass.
--food/street markets: interesting produce and street food, roasted meats, cookies, baked goods, PRETZELS, etc. LINK
--touring the Steigl brewery: LINK


TheJunction
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Thanks for the food recs. it will be my wife's favorite post since this thread was started.We plan on doing a Sound of Music tour, but that's all we have planned right now for Salzburg itself.

Is three nights in Salzburg to long? We've considered staying in Hallstatt with day trips to Salzburg and Bad Ischl.



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Is three nights in Salzburg to long?


Certainly not there's plenty to do, but it just depends on your plans.

I've done the Sound of Music bike tour FYI and it was great. My wife talks about it a couple times of year and it was 9 years ago. Bike tours are a fantastic way to spend your first day in a Euro city as many are very bikeable, fairly flat, and you cover a lot of distance. Most of the people are fun and the guides are usually great.

What I came to say, is "nights" is not as important as your actual day availability. You can arrive at 7pm into the city one day and leave at 7am for an activity the next morning, so in reality you have almost no time there. I would say 2 full days is a good amount for Salzburg. Half a day for the bike tour, half a day to tour the castle, and then a full day and whatever you have leftover to explore the rest of the city is great. Its a pretty small area and extremely walkable.


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TheJunction
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Right, by three nights I really mean two full days. We've looked at the bike tour and a bus tour. I'll let my wife know about how y'all felt about the bike tour.

As it's looking right now (6+ months before we go, so obviously a lot could change), but we are planning on spending one full day in Salzburg itself and then on our second full day in the area we plan on getting out of the city.

We don't always have to have a direction (ie. tour or planned trip to a particular spot). Both of us enjoy the unplanned and those days where there are no plans and you just wander. I think that's why we both loved Venice so much, very easy city to get lost in.
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re: 22 Nights in Europe
Follow “livingeurope” on Instagram for great pictures like the one of Hallstatt.


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Forgot to add on Salzburg food:
—the Balkan Grill Walter, a little walkup window in a passageway between two streets. Two long, skinny sausages in a toasted bread roll, sprinkled with spicy stuff. Like 3,50. You scarf it down while window shopping the display cases in the passageways (jewelry, mostly). Full of locals and tourists alike. Quirky option, esp if you’ve had too many sit-down Austrian & Bavarian meals. TripAdvisor has pics: LINK


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TheJunction
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re: 22 Nights in Europe
81 - just followed. Thanks!

hungry - I like a good, cheap meal. We’ll need to save our money for Switzerland.


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We plan on doing a Sound of Music tour
We did a private Sound of Music tour in August.

Mercedes Van

The tour guide was wonderful, I’d have not taken the tour by myself but it was enjoyable. The nice thing about those situations is you can get a lot of local tips and information from good guides.

I think it was around €150 for the two of us.

Panorama Half Day Tour Link

Good restaurant in downtown Salzburg, across the street from Kepler’s Former residence:

Restaurant Esszimmer


TheJunction
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soccer - I caught my wife looking at this exact tour last night. I tried to talk her into a bike tour but she wasn't having it.


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re: 22 Nights in Europe
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it'll be the last non-beach or Disney trip we take in the next thirty years


Not the way it'll work with us...ours will likely see Amsterdam before Space Mountain. It can be done.

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I just updated our itenarary to be in Salzburg for three nights instead of two, with the idea of doing a day trip to Hallstatt on one of our full days. Will for sure keep it in mind about the tourists and lake.


If you can do a single one-night stop on your trip, Hallstatt is it. That lake & its square lit up is magical at night, and it's all to yourselves. The lakeside tables at Braugasthof are tough to beat with the swans invading by the dozen, and for a day-drink we enjoyed Am See for a bier/wine by the dock.

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Right now we are planning to skip Jungfau for Schilltorn. Thoughts?


Jungfrau is above everything else. If you want to see nothing but sky and reach the highest point, go for it. It's kind of choosing one or the other.

We chose the Mürren/Schilthorn side, and it's great to take the lift up and get spectacular views, including the Eiger, Monch & Jungfrau. Go early.

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more time in Paris and we've done our research trying to get excited about the idea of staying longer, but it just hasn't happened


Paris isn't for everyone, especially those crossing off checklists. Take 3 days AT LEAST...Don't rush it. Part of the magic of Paris is not having a care in the world, grabbing a baguette, some ham & brie, and picnicking by Sacre Coeur or the Eiffel. I could go back every year and never get tired.

Like you, I'm a WWII buff and that's a trip I still haven't scheduled. Be careful not to force two trips into one. "Assume you will go back."


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Salzburg restuarants

Separate post, sorry...we visited in March/April and loved all of these:


Weiherwirt
Incredible dinner on the lake across from the Sound of Music. (Schloss Leopoldskron) If the green garlic soup is in season, get it.

Bärenwirt
Pretty damn impressive fried chicken and an Augustiner beer spot below the monastery...what more can you ask for out of a lunch spot.

StieglKeller

Great views after touring the fortress

Imlauer Sky Bar

A great cocktail spot before going to Weiherwirt



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Be careful not to force two trips into one. "Assume you will go back."
This.

Well-said.

For example: Walk amidst the tombstones at the Normandy American Cemetery and take time to read names, units, birthdates, etc.

Somebody’s chopping onions...



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TheJunction
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re: 22 Nights in Europe
drock - I envy you. Between the grandparents and my wife, if our kids do not go at least five times before they are eight I'll be shocked.

I think we are going to plan on spending a night in Hallstatt. We both want to be at the lake at sunset and that will save having to drive back to Salzburg at night. It'll add 45 minutes or so to our drive to Fussen but I think it'd be worth it.

Speaking of Fussen, do you (y'all) have any recommendations of other small towns in the area to set as our base? We are set on the area of Neuschwanstein Castle, but not necessarily on Fussen. I have looked at a few towns, including Mittenwald and Garmisch-Partenkirchen.

In regards to Paris, that's essentially what we are doing. If not for Normandy for me and MSM for my wife we would not be in the area. Right now we have two full days in Paris, one of those days being a full day tour to the big sites. We will do some more research and see about adding an extra day. Everything you read says a minimum of three days.

soccer - I can't tell you how excited I am for Normandy. I hate that we will only have two full days to spend on WWII sites.

Most of the books I have read on WWII have been personal accounts, instead of the big battle/war overviews. For example, take Band of Brothers and Easy Company, I obviously didn't know any of those guys, but it feels like I do from reading so much about them. I do not know how I will react walking the same areas that they fought and died over and seeing the tombstones of some of those guys, but I'm sure it will be an indescribable feeling.


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