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SSD NAS Recommendations needed for home/personal cloud use.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:15 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:15 am
Budget: up to $500, but prefer $300-$350 range
Use: consolidation of several external hard drives, USB’s, SD cards, movies, pictures, etc.
Overall best unit for personal cloud use and easy to use.
Thanks for any suggestions…
Use: consolidation of several external hard drives, USB’s, SD cards, movies, pictures, etc.
Overall best unit for personal cloud use and easy to use.
Thanks for any suggestions…
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:18 am to MarlinMan
Do you already own the drives or do the drives have to be included with the unit?
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:24 am to bluebarracuda
Thanks. No, I don’t have the drives. This is my first attempt at a personal cloud storage/file server setup…
Synology, WD? Size recs, models that are easy to use, etc…
Synology, WD? Size recs, models that are easy to use, etc…
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:38 am to MarlinMan
Need more details.
How many users?
How much usable space are you looking for?
Pre-built? DIY? (do you have any hardware now?)
If you don't have a spare desktop/server machine laying around, your budget would suggest something along the lines of a Raspiberry Pi based NAS (which by they way really works well for a lot of home users)
one of many examples of a pi NAS
How many users?
How much usable space are you looking for?
Pre-built? DIY? (do you have any hardware now?)
If you don't have a spare desktop/server machine laying around, your budget would suggest something along the lines of a Raspiberry Pi based NAS (which by they way really works well for a lot of home users)
one of many examples of a pi NAS
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:45 am to dakarx
Thanks.
2 users using 3 existing laptops/2 iPads, etc…. I prefer prebuilt, plug and play as I’m a novice here…
I need enough storage to rip all my blue rays (30 or so)… not sure how much that is…
2 users using 3 existing laptops/2 iPads, etc…. I prefer prebuilt, plug and play as I’m a novice here…
I need enough storage to rip all my blue rays (30 or so)… not sure how much that is…
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:07 am to MarlinMan
Blu-ray discs can hold up to 50GB each, so 30x50G is 1.5TB (with no room for expansion)
NAS grade SSDs will run somewhere around $100/TB (traditional disks about $25/TB)
Try this as an example (but do shop around and compare, this seems a little light on RAM but may be expandable)
The cheapest Synology box I can find under $200
DiskStation DS220j . Drop the SSD requirement and go with a pair of 4TB NAS HDD in RAID 1 and you will be under your budget. You can shop around and find better values and/or faster HDD's.
IME - Synology UI is pretty much dummy-proof, decent features and online help is plentiful.
This would give you a starting point. You will outgrow the storage, but swapping in larger disks later is generally painless.
NAS grade SSDs will run somewhere around $100/TB (traditional disks about $25/TB)
Try this as an example (but do shop around and compare, this seems a little light on RAM but may be expandable)
The cheapest Synology box I can find under $200
DiskStation DS220j . Drop the SSD requirement and go with a pair of 4TB NAS HDD in RAID 1 and you will be under your budget. You can shop around and find better values and/or faster HDD's.
IME - Synology UI is pretty much dummy-proof, decent features and online help is plentiful.
This would give you a starting point. You will outgrow the storage, but swapping in larger disks later is generally painless.
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:10 am to MarlinMan
1 Synology DiskStation DS220j - $170
2 Seagate IronWolf 6GB HDDs - $330
An SSDs speed is going to be bottle-necked by your network speed. So, cheaper higher capacity HDDs are a better choice.
Two disks give you redundancy. If one disk fails, you will not lose your data. But, the total capacity will be 6GB not 12GB. You can forgo redundancy and just use one drive if you want to save money. But, I don't recommend it.
Synology has many useful apps, like a cloud sync app that will sync your data to the cloud for disaster recovery. And Plex for streaming your media library.
Edit: dakarx beat me to it :D
2 Seagate IronWolf 6GB HDDs - $330
An SSDs speed is going to be bottle-necked by your network speed. So, cheaper higher capacity HDDs are a better choice.
Two disks give you redundancy. If one disk fails, you will not lose your data. But, the total capacity will be 6GB not 12GB. You can forgo redundancy and just use one drive if you want to save money. But, I don't recommend it.
Synology has many useful apps, like a cloud sync app that will sync your data to the cloud for disaster recovery. And Plex for streaming your media library.
Edit: dakarx beat me to it :D
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:18 am to TAMU-93
something something, great minds think alike, something something.
Although I really despise the plug-n-pray stuff, it really takes all of the learning out of building and understanding the 'why's' and 'hows' things work.
Although I really despise the plug-n-pray stuff, it really takes all of the learning out of building and understanding the 'why's' and 'hows' things work.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:56 am to TAMU-93
Was about to say, SSD doesn't seem needed for home use and gonna blow budget for going SSD on disks alone....probably better to have a 4-6 bay NAS....synology and qnap are at top of my list
Posted on 5/20/21 at 3:46 pm to MarlinMan
I'm happy with my Synology
Posted on 5/20/21 at 4:19 pm to BabySam
quote:
Was about to say, SSD doesn't seem needed for home use
Definitely agree. Especially if he's accessing it remotely/wirelessly.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 5:23 pm to bluebarracuda
There is just no reason to go with SSD for a NAS right now.
I have a Synology 4 bay NAS, set up about 4-5 years ago. Had a bank of 4 x 3TB WD Red HDs, one died a couple of weeks ago. Replaced it with a 6TB Synology b/c I want to increase storage pool gradually to start ripping some 4K disks.
BTW, HD prices are on the rise too due to all the semiconductor issues right now.
I'd look for Synology Iron Wolf or Western Digital Red Plus drives. The "Pro" versions are more expensive with little benefit for home users.
I have a Synology 4 bay NAS, set up about 4-5 years ago. Had a bank of 4 x 3TB WD Red HDs, one died a couple of weeks ago. Replaced it with a 6TB Synology b/c I want to increase storage pool gradually to start ripping some 4K disks.
BTW, HD prices are on the rise too due to all the semiconductor issues right now.
I'd look for Synology Iron Wolf or Western Digital Red Plus drives. The "Pro" versions are more expensive with little benefit for home users.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 5:36 pm to pheroy
Also, and maybe someone knows better than I, but I would go with 5400rpm drives instead of 7200 as well. They're cheaper, will run cooler and quieter, and have a better chance of lasting longer. And they will still pretty much saturate gigabit.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:22 pm to Korkstand
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I would go with 5400rpm drives
The lower capacity NAS drives from both WD & Seagate spin at lower speeds. WD starts at 5400, Seagate at 5900. But they both go up to 7200 at a certain size. Seagate IronWolf is 7200 at 6TB; WD Red Plus gets there at 8 TB. It's a modest increase in heat but as long as the drives are installed in a proper case with airflow it should still be fine.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:07 pm to pheroy
I'm seeing 5400rpm WD reds all the way up to 14TB. Of course many of them have 7200 version also. I also see 7200 down to 2TB.
I'm sure a Synology (or whatever brand) NAS has adequate cooling for the faster drives. And I realize we're not talking about a huge difference in heat and noise between the two. I'm just saying that given that the suggested NAS box only has a single gigabit NIC, the slower drives can more than saturate that so you don't really gain anything. I can't see myself spending more money only to generate more heat and noise, however little more it may be, for no real gain in performance.
I'm sure a Synology (or whatever brand) NAS has adequate cooling for the faster drives. And I realize we're not talking about a huge difference in heat and noise between the two. I'm just saying that given that the suggested NAS box only has a single gigabit NIC, the slower drives can more than saturate that so you don't really gain anything. I can't see myself spending more money only to generate more heat and noise, however little more it may be, for no real gain in performance.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 8:47 am to Korkstand
I suppose we should also touch on the SMR bit of the discussion, as it fits in here as well.
SMR technology drives should be avoided for any striped array. Use only CMR or PMR drives. Just because the label says NAS doesn't mean they are not SMR (see WD Red label drives, and the lawsuit filed last year)
SMR technology drives should be avoided for any striped array. Use only CMR or PMR drives. Just because the label says NAS doesn't mean they are not SMR (see WD Red label drives, and the lawsuit filed last year)
Posted on 5/21/21 at 9:16 am to Korkstand
quote:
They're cheaper, will run cooler and quieter, and have a better chance of lasting longer. And they will still pretty much saturate gigabit
Ehhhhh
It’s more than just being able to feed the network. If a drive goes down on a RAID 5, it’ll be nice to avoid a multi day data rebuild.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:48 am to dakarx
quote:
SMR technology drives should be avoided for any striped array. Use only CMR or PMR drives. Just because the label says NAS doesn't mean they are not SMR (see WD Red label drives, and the lawsuit filed last year)
That's exactly why I mentioned Red Plus and IronWolf drives, but not standard Red. Even though there is some debate about SMR for home use, the price delta for sticking with CMR isn't enough to take the risk.
Posted on 5/21/21 at 11:02 am to pheroy
This winter I scanned all our old photos, then organized more recent digital pics and videos onto a 1 TB SSD external drive. Still lots of room. Next winter I will scan my parents/grandparents old pics and store on the drive. My method is not as elegant as a network but I have all the files organized on a PC then I copied the files onto the external SSDs. Cost was about $150 for external samsung SSDs - drives were recommended by my neighbour who runs a PC repair service, So far its been great.
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