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Nest thermostat v1 and v2 to lose cloud support w/ no local option

Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:50 pm
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3402 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 8:50 pm
Shutting down 25-October. There goes everything good I’ve ever said about Google. Remember folks, if your device requires a cloud account, it’s not your device.
Anyone think they might open up local api control upon request? I’m guessing no.
Posted by Roy Curado
Member since Jul 2021
1445 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 9:51 pm to
Really shame, I had a Nest in my last house and went to research it and decided against it due to this reason. I really liked it. I went with the smart Ecobee and its kinda just as nice, just gotta learn it.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31602 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:08 pm to
I was about to blow a gasket until I realized that I apparently have a v3. Still, I’ll likely never buy a Nest thermostat because of this.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3402 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:12 pm to
The worst part is they my thermostats won’t even be able to talk to each other locally. This is absurd. Companies have ended support but never for something this critical and with zero fallback options. Clock is ticking on that v3 as it’s also locked into Google cloud.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
31602 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:21 pm to
Someone who knows more than me can tell me if I’m being an idiot, but could they not simply leave a legacy fork app? Who cares if the thermostat eventually picks up security flaws; it’s a god damned thermostat
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3402 posts
Posted on 7/10/25 at 10:29 pm to
The news came out in April but most people found out today via email. Public info says they have no plans to release API, MQTT, Matter, or any third party support. It goes far beyond just ending support. They are killing features that should never require cloud in the first place along with other features where a work-around would be trivial.
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
13462 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 3:54 am to
Well this sucks donkey dicks. If I have to buy all new ones I'm switching. I have 5, one at my house and 4 at my office building
Posted by dakarx
Member since Sep 2018
8172 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 6:21 am to
Pulled the Nest thermostat off the wall within a week of Google buying them out.....
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13392 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 6:27 am to
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There goes everything good I’ve ever said about Google


You're a little late.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21363 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 8:06 am to
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Someone who knows more than me can tell me if I’m being an idiot, but could they not simply leave a legacy fork app? Who cares if the thermostat eventually picks up security flaws; it’s a god damned thermostat


t-stats are easy ways to monitor for when people are home or away.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91504 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 1:30 pm to
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Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91504 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 1:31 pm to
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Pulled the Nest thermostat off the wall within a week of Google buying them out.....
they're fricking me over with my fitbit too

i have about 8 months until it will stop working or agree to convert eerything to google-fit or whatever the frick they're calling it

i lose all the api keys to pull all my historic data into a spreadsheet or analytics tool.

"dont be evil"
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 1:33 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40585 posts
Posted on 7/11/25 at 1:58 pm to
I remember having a lot of fun doing smart switches and garage door openers etc in 2017-2020, but once I got my new house I didn't bother.

It was nice but not critical.

I'm down to:

Smart speakers for cooking timers

Smart speakers to turn on/off (mostly off) TV so I don't have to hunt for remote. Kicking kids off it.

Thermostats

Treat it like a hobby is probably the best way to approach it, or you'll have stuff like this happen pretty regularly causing you to lose your mind. There's just too much BS like this going around unless you try to create a totally off cloud system with Habitat or whatever it's called.
This post was edited on 7/11/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by LSshoe
Burrowing through a pile o MikePoop
Member since Jan 2008
4462 posts
Posted on 7/12/25 at 7:03 pm to
When i buy any smart things (I don't have many) a requirement is that it must allow for local control via homeassistant or similar. I don't trust any of those services that can close up shop on a whim and turn your essential home infrastructure into ewaste on their own whims.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3402 posts
Posted on 7/12/25 at 8:25 pm to
A agree 100% but it’s also true that these fears have been shown to be completely overblown unless dealing with some obscure startup.
Only twice in history have major popular items been bricked like this with no local option. That was Revolv(Google) and Iris(Lowe’s). In both cases, customers eventually got full refunds or replacements. As it stands, this Nest thermostat is going to be by far the worst case purposeful and unnecessary device crippling and it isn’t even close. It’s going to be 100x bigger than anything that has happened before.
They did give me a “coupon” for a Nest v4 for $150(vs 279 msrp) but $150 is pretty much retail now and new, sealed v4s go for $70-80 on resale markets. They’re giving me an “offer” to pay double.
Posted by LSshoe
Burrowing through a pile o MikePoop
Member since Jan 2008
4462 posts
Posted on 7/12/25 at 11:20 pm to
Intentional or not, having your home infrastructure liable to the whims of the company that made them just doesn't sit well with me. I get that legacy stuff eventually becomes incompatible with new stuff, but having the rug pulled out on you just frustrates the heck out of me. If I'm going to invest in something, I want it to last for its useful life when either the device dies or it no longer performs the functions I need in the way that i want. Not because the company that developed the device to be absolutely reliant on its function to a service out of its control decides to kill that essential service. Sooner or later it's going too happen for all of them.
Posted by Dallaswho
Texas
Member since Dec 2023
3402 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 10:25 am to
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Sooner or later it's going too happen for all of them.

Everyone, thus far has been able to pass support onto willing organizations or open up APIs. That’s what makes this Google incident so unique. The fear has always been there but this is the first time that millions will actually see it happen. Maybe I’m petty but this needs attention before it gets even worse. You can’t say “this is normal” to something that has never happened before.
The down side is HVAC companies will love Nest now because they know they get more service calls in a few years and it technically won’t be their fault.
This post was edited on 7/13/25 at 6:11 pm
Posted by bluebarracuda
Member since Oct 2011
19149 posts
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:29 am to
That's why I got the dumbest smart thermostat possible that integrated with zigbee
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