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Let's talk Apple kicking Intel to the curb
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:50 am
Posted on 6/23/20 at 10:50 am
who cares about iOS14
The big announcement is Apple is kicking Intel to the curb for their laptops and desktop hardware.
Apple has shown it can kick the shite out of everyone in mobile and tablets when using its own architecture. What sort of performance increases do you think we'll get?
The big announcement is Apple is kicking Intel to the curb for their laptops and desktop hardware.
Apple has shown it can kick the shite out of everyone in mobile and tablets when using its own architecture. What sort of performance increases do you think we'll get?
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:01 am to barry
I hope it can mean some price reduction as well.
at that hope..
Realistically I bet it means some incredible longevity in their products.
at that hope.. Realistically I bet it means some incredible longevity in their products.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:14 am to Hulkklogan
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I hope it can mean some price reduction as well.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 11:35 am to barry
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Apple has shown it can kick the shite out of everyone in mobile and tablets when using its own architecture.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:05 pm to Hulkklogan
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I hope it can mean some price reduction as well.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:42 pm to barry
i think the bigger angle is intel. with AMD starting to really pass it up (while being cheaper) it's getting more play in desktops and laptops by major manufacturers.
as for apple, like somebody said in the other thread, will likely mean more durable computers IF they can do it (which isn't a guarantee)
as for apple, like somebody said in the other thread, will likely mean more durable computers IF they can do it (which isn't a guarantee)
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Intel is getting smacked hard right now. AMD is the way to go on PCs and Apple just said frick off. They are not in a good position.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 5:35 pm to barry
Moving away from the x86 architecture has always been a mistake in the past since it makes more difficult for developers.
At this point they probably don't care as they basically want to make their Mac computers glorified iPads and force them into a walled garden. Moving directly to basically iOS will allow them more control on what users can install.
At this point they probably don't care as they basically want to make their Mac computers glorified iPads and force them into a walled garden. Moving directly to basically iOS will allow them more control on what users can install.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 6:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
What's interesting is AMD made a run on Intel like 25 years ago and then faded.
Wonder if this attempt will keep.
Wonder if this attempt will keep.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 7:02 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
A company I used to work for went with AMD years ago for processors, they were always faster and cheaper.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:54 am to kywildcatfanone
They're moving to custom ARM chips. Basically, they're turning the desktop into iOS.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:39 pm to BigD45
Remember reading something like this a year or so ago. It sounds like a big ol pain in the rump to me. It's the kind of move that only Apple could and would make. Basically telling everyone to shove it we're doing it my way. Unless they come out with some kind of seamless emulator it sounds like it will niche up their machines even more. Will make cross platform dev even more difficult.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 12:49 pm to LSshoe
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Unless they come out with some kind of seamless emulator
Pretty sure they are.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:19 pm to TigerGman
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Pretty sure they are.
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Unless they come out with some kind of seamless emulator
Posted on 6/24/20 at 1:37 pm to LSshoe
I'm sure they're planning to emulate x86 on the ARM chips.. Microsoft has tried to do this on the Surface Go 2 and so far it's not going well....but it's Microsoft, not Apple, and the Surface Go 2 is still really new.
Side note - I don't believe Apple's plan is to make their macbooks into iOS or ipadOS. ARM-based processors just run a LOT more efficiently. Apple seems to think that they are the future. In fact, Microsoft putting them into the Surface Go 2 could mean they think the same. Apple just has a history of forcing developers to make the necessary changes to stay on board with them.
Side note - I don't believe Apple's plan is to make their macbooks into iOS or ipadOS. ARM-based processors just run a LOT more efficiently. Apple seems to think that they are the future. In fact, Microsoft putting them into the Surface Go 2 could mean they think the same. Apple just has a history of forcing developers to make the necessary changes to stay on board with them.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 9:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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with AMD starting to really pass it up (while being cheaper) it's getting more play in desktops and laptops by major manufacturers.
AMD and Intel have see-Sawed back and forth for years. It'll swing back the other way again.
Posted on 6/24/20 at 10:46 pm to barry
I read that Apple was only 5 percent of Intel's business. No biggie for Intel.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 6:36 am to UltimaParadox
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Unless they come out with some kind of seamless emulator
Well what I am I missing here?:quote:
Apple will let you emulate old apps and run iOS apps on ARM Macs
Apple has announced a major shift for the Mac. In the future, the company is going to switch from Intel CPU to Apple’s own silicon, based on ARM architecture. If you are a developer or if you run obscure enterprise apps, you may have a lot of questions about how it’s going to work.
First, you’ll be able to compile your app to run both on Intel-based Macs and ARM-based Macs. You can ship those apps with both executables using a new format called Universal 2. If you’ve been using a Mac for a while, you know that Apple used the same process when it switched from PowerPC CPUs to Intel CPUs — one app, two executables.
As for unoptimized software, you’ll still be able to run those apps. But its performances won’t be as good as what you’d get from a native ARM-ready app. Apple is going to ship Rosetta 2, an emulation layer that lets you run old apps on new Macs.
When you install an old app, your Mac will examine the app and try to optimize it for your ARM processor. This way, there will be some level of optimization even before you open the app.
But what if it’s a web browser or a complicated app with just-in-time code? Rosetta 2 can also translate instructions from x86 to ARM on the fly, while you’re running the app.
And if you’re a developer working on code that is going to run on servers, Apple is also working on a set of virtualization tools. You’ll be able to run Linux and Docker on an ARM Mac.
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