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Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:31 am
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1172 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:31 am
Figured I would check with the tech board before investing time and money on this install. I have a detached metal shop that I would like to bring internet and coax (for local channels via antenna). I have a Starlink router with a switch in my home media closet which is about 250’ away from my TV location in my shop. Any issues with running cat 6 from the switch into the attic, out of a soffit, then underground into the shop? Also have an attic mounted antenna in the home connected to a splitter that provides local channels through home. Any issues with running a coax from splitter in same media cabinet in conjunction to the cat6 to TV in shop? TIA
Posted by Ricardo
Member since Sep 2016
5723 posts
Posted on 10/20/24 at 7:48 am to
As long as the run is <= 100 meters, then I don't see why you couldn't do it.

Amazon link to True Cable store.

They should have whatever you need.
Some Cat 6A direct burial shielded ethernet cable, and RG6 for the coax. You can buy whatever additional hardware you need there.
This post was edited on 10/20/24 at 7:52 am
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
18624 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 5:50 am to
Would it be easier to get an additional Starlink setup for the shop?

Maybe more expensive but not as physically tolling and leaving everything intact for the residence?
Posted by NfamousPanda
Central
Member since Jan 2016
1069 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:42 am to
Should be fine. Just get direct burial cat6

Amazon link
This post was edited on 10/21/24 at 7:44 am
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1172 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:48 am to
Thanks everyone! Going to get it trenched in and wired up in a couple weeks.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 9:07 am to
The distance shouldn't be a problem, however there is always a concern about ground potential when running copper between structures. There is a possibility that you'll have issues that are hard to diagnose, or equipment might be killed.

I would skip the digging, conduit, etc and just use a couple of point-to-point radios. The equipment including radios, PoE injectors, and mounts will total less than $200 and that will give you essentially a "wireless wire" between the buildings. I favor the Ubiquiti 5AC locos, but you can find tons of pre-paired options from other manufacturers by searching "wireless bridge" on amazon. You won't get gigabit (unless you get some higher dollar radios), but the ones that cost <$100/pair will easily get you 300-400mbps which will outpace your starlink and is more than enough to stream on 50 TVs at once.

As for the locals, I would get an HDHomerun (I have one) and just plug your coax into that. With that you can just get the HDHomerun app on any smart TV and watch your locals without running coax. You can also feed the channels into Plex if you want to get into all that.
Posted by msu202020
Member since Feb 2011
4229 posts
Posted on 10/23/24 at 9:08 am to
Just an FYI, Cat 6 cable doesn't traditionally do well when routed below grade.

You may want to look into fiber and do media converters at both ends.
Posted by Fraid Knot
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jul 2019
138 posts
Posted on 10/25/24 at 11:03 pm to
Just did this. Got tired of fighting WiFi entenders and bridged router signals in a metal building. I rented a trencher and ran 5e in 3/4 conduit 110 ft. Reliable signal and it took a Saturday to do it.
Posted by WavinWilly
Wavin Away in Sharlo
Member since Oct 2010
8830 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:15 am to
quote:

The distance shouldn't be a problem, however there is always a concern about ground potential when running copper between structures. There is a possibility that you'll have issues that are hard to diagnose, or equipment might be killed.


This. You should not run ethernet between 2 buildings but rather run fiber with media converters on each end. It's not really that much more. With Coax you can and should ground it.

Alternatively I guess you run 2 lines of coax between the buildings and use one with MoCA converters on either side to use for the internet link, but at that point I would still recommend fiber.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 10/29/24 at 11:35 am to
I will reiterate that point-to-point wireless bridges are very fast, reliable, and cheap. I am a huge fan of wiring all the things, a big believer in running cable whenever possible, but I'm a bigger believe in practicality. If the cost is worth the benefit in your opinion, then by all means dig a trench and run cable/conduit. But I would absolutely put up a couple of $50 radios before I dig a 250' trench. The one on the house can even be hidden inside the attic for that short of range (but probably needs to be on the exterior of the metal building).
Posted by Geauxkart
Member since Jun 2013
101 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 7:57 am to
Just went through this myself.
I did not want the risk of grounding issues - even though I had the trench for a water line in place.
Went with a pair of the TP Link N300 radios, they have been flawless.
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1172 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:06 pm to
Thanks for all of the suggestions everyone. I ran the cat 6 and coax out of the attic. Just waiting to trench for water line and I’ll throw my cables in the trench and see what happens. If I have grounding problems then I can easily install some p2p radios. Appreciate the help!
Posted by LordSnow
Your Mom's House
Member since May 2011
5800 posts
Posted on 10/31/24 at 1:15 pm to
quote:

Geauxkart


quote:

TP Link N300


Got a link? when I look for that on amazon i get all kinds of devices.
Posted by Geauxkart
Member since Jun 2013
101 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 5:47 am to
Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
28911 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:56 am to
quote:

TP LINK N300


On just over a 1/2 acre lot, I have ZERO use for these.


Desperately trying to figure out a use for these just to see how they work.
This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 7:56 am
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
7314 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:13 am to
Trenching, pulling, and burying seems like too much work.

I would just do point-to-point if you are just wanting internet.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
19996 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 10:36 am to
Dont run coax. Just put an antenna in the shop.
Posted by LordSnow
Your Mom's House
Member since May 2011
5800 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 12:51 pm to
I assume you need 2 of those? I also guess they dont come pre-configured ?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28996 posts
Posted on 11/1/24 at 1:29 pm to
Just search Amazon for "wireless bridge". Tons of options for buying 2-packs pre-configured. Many brands, some known and also lots of no-names.

I still always recommend the Ubiquiti 5ACloco. Mostly because I have experience with them, but also I doubt most of those no-name brands perform as well or have as many configuration options. Configuring only takes a few minutes and they are set and forget.
Posted by Newgene
Waveland, MS
Member since Nov 2005
7270 posts
Posted on 11/3/24 at 8:26 am to
quote:

Thanks for all of the suggestions everyone. I ran the cat 6 and coax out of the attic. Just waiting to trench for water line and I’ll throw my cables in the trench and see what happens. If I have grounding problems then I can easily install some p2p radios. Appreciate the help!


Sounds like you are well on your way, but I'll just add to this. This is definitely different, but it's a data point for reference. I ran 150' direct burial cat6 in my attic. It was pretty cheap on amazon, and you never know if something may try to chew through it or you might damage it. It's just a little tough to bend at the ends, but it wasn't a problem. I ran the EAP610 wireless AP with an TL-SG1005P POE switch. It all works flawlessly. Underground presents different issues, but I would think you're more likely not to have an issue. I did this because because I didn't want to fight signal boosters, radios, etc. They likely have come a long way, but the early ones were pretty bad.

I would also put them in a conduit, add a spare, and also leave some room if you want to pull something else through there or repurpose it. I wish I would have done this on my house now.
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