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re: Echo Dot the most useless thing ever invented? ETA CAD giving it another go

Posted on 1/4/17 at 4:51 pm to
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 4:51 pm to
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I put the portable battery to make the Echo wireless


i was disappointed when i unplugged the little USB cable and it died. i'm so used to unplugging cellphones and BT speakers and having them work that i assumed the Dot had a battery built in.

just more disappointment for cad.
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96490 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:47 pm to
No battery on any of these type devices. Luckily mine tucks into the corner of my kitchen and all the wires are hidden.
Posted by Spock's Eyebrow
Member since May 2012
12300 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 5:58 pm to
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One of the first questions I asked was "Surely you can't be serious?", and she responded "I am serious, and don't call me Shirley". I was sold.


Calmly ask her to show you the money.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
67595 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 6:30 pm to
I have Google Home with Philips Hue... I like it a lot.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14969 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 10:38 pm to
Love how CAD will freely admit to hours of coding and work for robots, work arounds and commands to control shite around his house. But ONE workaround to use Alexa is too much and talks shite about wanting things to "just work."

Dude could tell you if the drapes on Sergey or Larry (maybe even Eric) match the sheets he blows them so much.

Meanwhile, he sets all of this "ease of use," stuff up that's so GD rickety he doesn't trust anyone in his house to use it while he's gone LOL.

Biggest Fanboi/Brand Whore on this site...
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 9:10 am to
Damn dude. OK I promise to stop fricking your wife.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14969 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 12:50 pm to
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CAD703X

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Damn dude. OK I promise to stop fricking your wife.



My wife is dead MF'er!

(Okay so not really)

Meet me at the Sonic in Walker, LA

(It's closed from the floods but I will still mud-check you with no prior baw-knuckle-check)

(Okay so not really gonna meet you there)

You still suck CAD.
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
4022 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:38 pm to
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have a hub, dont have any amazon services

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It can control your Nest or Ecobee Thermostat


i have honeywell stats

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It will play your music from any number of streaming services


my cracked apps are FAR better than those commerical-infested crippled services

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It syncs with your Amazon account to allow ordering products and create lists


HELL TO THE frickING NO!! i don't need alexa randomly ordering shite for me because my kids have figured out talking to it and start telling it to order candy bars and potato chips


you are railing against a product for which you are not even close to being the intended audience. you don't use amazon. you went through the hassle of automating your home with multiple brands and protocols and used a hub dedicated for that purpose. alexa basically short cuts all of that, simplifies it for the average person, and gives access to several other features outside of the smart home.

it sounds like if you wanted to put forth the same effort into making alexa work for you that you have already done with your other home automation devices, alexa would be great for you. however, i can't blame you for not wanting to do it again, and alexa wasn't designed for people like you make that switch. it's obviously meant for people who don't have the time/knowledge/inclination to create a smart home through a third party hub.
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35122 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 2:42 pm to
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railing against a product for which you are not even close to being the intended audience


First time reading one of CAD's post ?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:10 pm to
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it's obviously meant for people who don't have the time/knowledge/inclination to create a smart home through a third party hub.


maybe you don't realize that alexa doesn't support zigbee or zwave which is 99.9% of all smart home things.

therefore, hub.

but keep on talking about something you don't understand.

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railing against a product for which you are not even close to being the intended audience




did you miss the part where it was a 'gift'? i only set it up to give it a fair shake but clearly it doesn't do anything useful for me.

i'm going to get a store credit and use that for a google home..at least a google device uses GOOGLE'S search engine algorithm and isn't trying to sell me toothpaste everytime i ask it a question.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:13 pm
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George, LA
Member since Aug 2004
79558 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:13 pm to
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No battery on any of these type devices.


They have a new one called the Tap that is a battery powered portable version.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:15 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:16 pm to
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They have a new one called the Tap that is a battery powered portable version.


i just assumed it was battery-operated because its about the size and weight of a bluetooth speaker (of which i seem to have about 7) and i plugged it into the same usb cable i use to charge my phones, watch & speakers so just assumed the weight was due to a battery.

This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:16 pm
Posted by mctiger1985
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2009
3693 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:23 pm to
I use both of mine daily to control lights and fans. Walking through my living room at night, i can turn off the light after I've crossed without being in the dark.
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
16272 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:25 pm to
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Got this for Christmas and thought i'd plug it in and see what's up.

It doesn't do shite. I ask it to bark like a dog and it won't. I ask it to play music and it says you have no music. i ask it basic search questions and it says 'i don't understand the question'.

but if i ask it to order toliet paper it fricking goes on for 20 minutes about the options i have to get it to my house.



i don't need a fricking commercial sitting on my desk. yes, cad doesn't have prime so i'm sure that's the problem but frick. this thing does absolutely nothing. i can't even ask it the lyrics to songs.

got it from my MiL and i'm trying to find out where she got it from so i can return it.

wtf is anyone using these things for? ordering stuff? i don't order shite from amazon so the fact its trying to sell me something everytime i use it just pisses me off.

'alexa go to hell'

'i'm sorry you feel that way'


1. It says you have no music because you don't use Amazon Music. You can set up pretty much any streaming service with it, you have to enable those skills.

2. It's not a smooth as the Google Assistant or Siri. So you have to say specific commands to get it to do things. They are working on it, but they are a few years behind Siri and Google there.

What are you wanting it to do? Mine does the standard stuff with music, kitchen measurement conversions and timers. It also works fine with Philips Hue and Ecobee thermostats in my house.

I have some other little fun skills in it to play games and such.

You can search the internet.

It has a ton more options right now than Google Home which has a nicer AI, but is still lacking in skills. I am sure you will give that a glowing review though...

Personally I found the being able to order through Amazon easily a big factor in why I wanted it, but I know you hate them, so that's a whatever.

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i was disappointed when i unplugged the little USB cable and it died. i'm so used to unplugging cellphones and BT speakers and having them work that i assumed the Dot had a battery built in.


In no way was it ever advertised a portable device, your disappointment is idiotic right here. This is just you assuming shite because you don't bother to research stuff you want to hate.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:30 pm
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
4022 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:33 pm to
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did you miss the part where it was a 'gift'? i only set it up to give it a fair shake but clearly it doesn't do anything useful for me.


nah i didn't miss it. nor did i miss the part where you take to the internet to piss and moan about something given to you for free because it doesn't work with your overly complicated automation setup

and for your bitching about zwave, alexa does work with several preexisting hubs that control zwave devices. also, it seems like manufacturers are retooling their products to work with alexa (and other similar products like ihome) natively, which to me, sounds like the death knell for zwave. but whatever. keep bitching and acting like you're the only one who knows anything

fwiw, i do get genuine entertainment out of your anti amazon and apple stances
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:35 pm to
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It has a ton more options right now than Google Home which has a nicer AI, but is still lacking in skills. I am sure you will give that a glowing review though...


why does everyone say this? i give google just as much hell as i do everyone else.

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but I know you hate them, so that's a whatever.


everything is cheaper on ebay than amazon. everything. and i'm not talking 'bidding' on stuff, i'm talking about the 'add to cart' process for the same storefronts that exist on amazon.

but then i don't care to overpay just because everyone else 'loves' amazon

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In no way was it ever advertised a portable device, your disappointment is idiotic right here. This is just you assuming shite because you don't bother to research stuff you want to hate.




IT.

WAS.

A.

CHRISTMAS GIFT!!


i just plugged it in like i do a bluetooth speaker and given how heavy it was assumed it had a battery.

damn, y'all sure are sensitive when it comes to defending amazon.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:38 pm to
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overly complicated automation setup






it doesn't get any easier than WINK. its not like i bought a zwave dongle and zigbee dongle and rolled my own code on a raspberry pi.

again, you know nothing about this industry so SIT DOWN.

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and for your bitching about zwave, alexa does work with several preexisting hubs that control zwave devices


you just contradicted yourself by claiming alexa would avoid setting up smart things with a hub first.
quote:

you went through the hassle of automating your home with multiple brands and protocols and used a hub dedicated for that purpose. alexa basically short cuts all of that




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sounds like the death knell for zwave




ok.

you clearly have your finger on the pulse of the industry. i'll just shut up. clearly wifi battery-operated sensors are the future.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:41 pm
Posted by lsujro
north of the wall
Member since Jul 2007
4022 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

CAD703X


dude you don't have a damn clue. alexa can work with several preexisting smart hubs, but it is not necessary to control numerous smart devices that now work natively with alexa without a third party hub. i was merely contradicting your point that alexa can't control zwave devices. it can, depending on what hub you are using. so there was no contradiction whatsoever, you are just an idiot.

and all the major smart home devices are releasing new builds and/or software versions that work directly with alexa, google home, homekit, etc., without the need for a third party hub. you may not think that's going to kill off zwave, but it's certainly debatable (and i'm on the other side).

this internet thing obviously makes you cranky. maybe you should go back to your typewriter old timer
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86709 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:47 pm to
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and all the major smart home devices THAT HAVE BUILT-IN WIFI AND AN API are releasing new builds and/or software versions that work directly with alexa, google home, homekit, etc., without the need for a third party hub


you really think things like door sensors and motion detectors will ever use WIFI and an API or do you just think those are unnecessary 'things' for home automation?

You understand why MESH is so important for HA right?
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Dam Guide
Member since Sep 2005
16272 posts
Posted on 1/5/17 at 5:58 pm to
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why does everyone say this? i give google just as much hell as i do everyone else.


Because the Google Home is new and has some catching up to do, some people like to research what else is out there...

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everything is cheaper on ebay than amazon. everything. and i'm not talking 'bidding' on stuff, i'm talking about the 'add to cart' process for the same storefronts that exist on amazon. but then i don't care to overpay just because everyone else 'loves' amazon


Ease of use with prime, it's great, sorry you don't like it... Last I checked, ebay sellers wouldn't be too happy with some of the returns I have made through Amazon without issue. Hell I built an entire computer and returned 80% of it and barely had to explain why.

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i just plugged it in like i do a bluetooth speaker and given how heavy it was assumed it had a battery. damn, y'all sure are sensitive when it comes to defending amazon.


I am sure you are well versed in assumptions... It's not a sensitivity on us, it's you are completely irrational when it comes to Amazon.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 6:36 pm
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