Page 1
Page 1
Started By
Message

Audio System for neighborhood movie night?

Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:27 am
Posted by PistolPete45
Mandeville, LA
Member since Apr 2012
468 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 9:27 am
My wife is the event coordinator for our HOA, we are trying to buy equipment to do a local movie night with HOA funds, looking at an Anker Nebula projector. We are stumped on the necessary audio output needed.

We borrowed some equipment for the last one and it went horribly... the equipment didn't work, and ended up having to use a milwaukee bluetooth speaker and nobody could really hear the sound. At the event there were probably 50ish people with kids playing on a field so a lot of sound pollution. We would like as little setup as possible and not want to use a amp or anything.

Would any of these two PA systems work? We are trying to do sub $300 for the speakers, is this possible?

Pyle

Rockville PA
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45683 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:42 am to
Just as an FYI, the motion picture industry association (MPIA) has a whistle-blower reward for people who turn in public showings of any motion picture. Depending on the number of people there at your event, if they are notified and investigate, they are quick to file suit. They usually start at threatening a $100,000 suit, but settle for around $25k, plus attorney fees, which depends on how hard you try and fight it.

Yes, you own that movie disc, but it comes with a specific license for personal use only. If you show it in the public, you need to purchase a license for that.

Here is where you can purchase that. Funflicks licensing .

I know you will be tempted to just say, "nobody is going to turn us in, so don't care." I would say, if it was you doing it in your backyard to a bunch of your neighbors, sure, but the HOA is likely a registered corporation with the state, and has an expensive liability insurance policy. The MPIA would probably not be willing to settle for a smaller amount because as a corporation, they should know better than to deliberately expose themselves to breaking copyright law.

How do I know this? One of our neighbors is a pediatric dentist who put in a theater in his building for kids to watch Disney movies. MPIA was alerted, and because the dentist had been doing it for years and used lots of Disney movies they added Disney to the lawsuit as plaintiff and won a judgment of over a quarter million dollars after attorney fees and court costs. The guy nearly lost his practice over it.
Posted by Splackavellie
Bayou
Member since Oct 2017
9766 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 11:50 am to
quote:

How do I know this? One of our neighbors is a pediatric dentist who put in a theater in his building for kids to watch Disney movies. MPIA was alerted, and because the dentist had been doing it for years and used lots of Disney movies they added Disney to the lawsuit as plaintiff and won a judgment of over a quarter million dollars after attorney fees and court costs. The guy nearly lost his practice over it.




Posted by Lonnie Utah
Utah!
Member since Jul 2012
23834 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

I know you will be tempted to just say, "nobody is going to turn us in, so don't care." I would say, if it was you doing it in your backyard to a bunch of your neighbors, sure, but the HOA is likely a registered corporation with the state, and has an expensive liability insurance policy. The MPIA would probably not be willing to settle for a smaller amount because as a corporation, they should know better than to deliberately expose themselves to breaking copyright law.


On the flip side, since corporations are now viewed as "people" by the SCOTUS, and since all of the people in the HOA are part of that corporation, couldn't one logically argue that any showing of a movie to that group IS personal use?

Not saying I'm right, just presenting a counter argument. As I'm not a lawyer, this is not presented a legal advice...
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 1:15 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45683 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:36 pm to
I'm not either, but a quick search yielded this: HOA movie night

quote:

Anyone who shows a movie outside of a private residence is subject to copyright and trademark licensing fees. Title 17 of the U.S. Code protects copyrighted works. Violations of the act can result in hefty fines, with some as high as $150,000.

HOAs planning an outdoor movie night will need to purchase a license in order to show the movie. It does not matter if there is a fee to watch the movie or a movie is a free event. The association can purchase an umbrella policy that covers a broad spectrum of licensed content.

When in doubt, it is best to ask the association attorney for guidance and to research the best license policy for your plans. One thing is for certain: It isn't worth the risk of expensive fines to show a movie without a license. 


Posted by PistolPete45
Mandeville, LA
Member since Apr 2012
468 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 1:59 pm to
That is insanity.

I figured this may be the case for streaming a football game, didn't realize it would be an issue for a movie. I did bring it up to the head of the HOA about potential legal issues. He just said if we got any kind of notice, would just stop doing it.

I can't imagine it would be worth the money for them to go after a small HOA, and would just send a cease and desist if they somehow found out. but couldn't hurt to run it by the lawyer we have on retainer to be sure.

Anyhow, any actual sound suggestions though??
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28684 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 2:21 pm to
I don't have any suggestions on speakers, but just an idea for an added feature I'll toss out an FM transmitter. That way if someone has a radio in their golf cart, or if it's a chilly night and they watch from a vehicle, they can tune in and hear the audio.
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 3:42 pm to
Getting back to the technical instead of legal side of this... I looked up that Anker projector. My first question is "what's your video source"? Looks like this little projector is Android based so I assume an app? And it has WiFi & Bluetooth, so you'd stream from an app over Wifi. Then you'd use the BT capability to connect to a BT speaker.

I have something very similar to that Rockville PA speaker and have used it for music with an iPhone at events. It should be plenty capable for a reasonable space. The biggest challenge is probably just getting the BT connection - you have to put the speaker in the right mode and then I assume you'd see it in the menu from the projector.
This post was edited on 10/24/22 at 3:54 pm
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45683 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 6:12 pm to
quote:

I did bring it up to the head of the HOA about potential legal issues. He just said if we got any kind of notice, would just stop doing it.
That's sort of like, "we'll stop stealing stuff if someone catches us, but we don't expect to get in trouble if we do."
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
2275 posts
Posted on 10/24/22 at 6:45 pm to
Op, ignore this dude scaring y’all into buying some bullshite license

I’d look into the sonos arc plugged into the projector along with a couple of the battery powered sonos speakers to slave to the Arc. It’d be super easy to set up, you can put the wireless ones anywhere depending on how the crowd is setup, and you could use them for other events

One last note- frick the mpia and anyone that defends those rat bastards
Posted by PistolPete45
Mandeville, LA
Member since Apr 2012
468 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 8:28 am to
The video source will probably be our blu ray player. I can't trust the wifi from the clubhouse to reach all the way out to the soccer field for a streaming player(about 300ft away).

I was planning on hardwiring it, the reviews say BT connectivity is a joke, so I don't want to rely on that.

Thanks for the feedback on the Rockville, I think I will need to find a diff projector, i realized there is no aux in the ones i looked at
This post was edited on 10/25/22 at 8:56 am
Posted by pheroy
Raleigh, NC
Member since Oct 2006
704 posts
Posted on 10/25/22 at 8:23 pm to
Re: the projector. I've never used any of these LED based pico projectors. It claims 100 lumens - my first DLP projector 20+ years ago was like 350, and on a 100" screen it was dim enough that I could only watch it at night in zero light. I just wonder what all the folks giving 5* reviews of these are seeing and comparing it to. Obviously you're looking for portable and inexpensive, but there are "real" projectors for not much more that on paper seem like they'd crush this. (But would also require power etc.)

You can use the Projector Central database search and filter on several things. Here's a sample search for price $250-500, 250+ lumens. Of course some brands will claim ridiculous specs - like Pyle, I swear most of their stuff looks like their marketing routinely adds an extra 0 to whatever number they see.

LINK
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
13497 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 7:20 am to
quote:

Just as an FYI, the motion picture industry association (MPIA) has a whistle-blower reward for people who turn in public showings of any motion picture. Depending on the number of people there at your event, if they are notified and investigate, they are quick to file suit. They usually start at threatening a $100,000 suit, but settle for around $25k, plus attorney fees, which depends on how hard you try and fight it.

Yes, you own that movie disc, but it comes with a specific license for personal use only. If you show it in the public, you need to purchase a license for that.

Here is where you can purchase that. Funflicks licensing .

I know you will be tempted to just say, "nobody is going to turn us in, so don't care." I would say, if it was you doing it in your backyard to a bunch of your neighbors, sure, but the HOA is likely a registered corporation with the state, and has an expensive liability insurance policy. The MPIA would probably not be willing to settle for a smaller amount because as a corporation, they should know better than to deliberately expose themselves to breaking copyright law.

How do I know this? One of our neighbors is a pediatric dentist who put in a theater in his building for kids to watch Disney movies. MPIA was alerted, and because the dentist had been doing it for years and used lots of Disney movies they added Disney to the lawsuit as plaintiff and won a judgment of over a quarter million dollars after attorney fees and court costs. The guy nearly lost his practice over it.




WTF

Stream a pirated version of it to really give them the bird

Dont take my advise on that tho

Its outdoors? Bass will be hard but some of that PA stuff is made for that kind of setup, I am not too familiar with PA just home stuff. I'd hardwire something like you said. Get a receiver and BR player that you can maybe mount in a small portable rack on wheels. If its going to be not smooth surfaces all the time maybe mount some bigger pneumatic tires to the rack. Have it be able to closed up water tight easily for those popup showers. Be able to mount the projector on top of it (Or in it with it projecting out the back of the rack) if you have enough room for projector throw. Put a PDU in the rack so you can power it all with one plug needed from a power source. Pre measured runs of wire to run to the speakers. That FM transmitter for golf carts sounds pretty cool. They have wireless transmitters for speakers that can work well (Not as solid as wired) if you didn't want to mess with wires. I had some for my subs from rocketfish and now SVSubwoofers. Some ideas that come to mind. You want it easy to setup fast and take down and repeatable.
This post was edited on 10/26/22 at 7:34 am
Posted by ELLSSUU
Member since Jan 2005
7315 posts
Posted on 10/26/22 at 8:30 pm to
Asking the obvious:

Will November movie night be Porkies? If so the wife an I will be there.
Posted by Monday
Prairieville
Member since Mar 2013
5000 posts
Posted on 10/27/22 at 10:34 am to
Any of those systems will work for your application. The sound quality and low end will be lacking but it'll be serviceable.

I'd personally try to upgrade to something like this if you can. Little bit more money and set up but the quality will be much better, especially if you are watching action movies or something that you want a little more low end for.
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram