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Attorneys - advice needed

Posted on 12/19/20 at 10:41 am
Posted by Rooco
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 10:41 am
I am an attorney in my 30s and am looking for a new laptop, or whatever is out there these days that can function as a laptop. After law school, I have not used the laptop that often except when I travel. Moreover, I am still kind of a dinosaur and carry a giant briefcase full of paper when I go out of town to take depositions, go to court, and so on. I’m finding it more and more cumbersome because electronic medical records are so voluminous it makes the effort of carrying them hard copy nearly impractical.

I have been a Mac person with new iPhone always but am willing to change that up. Also, I plan to build my own desktop at home which presumably will be windows/PC based. Computer at my office is PC as well. TIA for any advice


Posted by tlsu15
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Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 10:53 am to
I know you said you are turning towards PC, but as a Mac person myself, the new line of MacBook Airs are almost unbeatable.

If you are looking at them, make sure it’s the newest line with the M1 chip. Huge improvement.
Posted by Dixie Normus
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 1:57 pm to
I have a MS Surface and love it.
Posted by LSU999
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:03 pm to
I used to work at a hospital releasing medical records to attorneys and such. The problem is attorneys request any and all records. Stop asking for all when you don’t really need them all. It’s costly for the client in the long run. All you mainly need is an abstract unless you are looking for something in particular to prove your case. Such as an implant number for a class action or something like that.

This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:07 pm to
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TIA for any advice



So what are you trying to accomplish with a laptop, and the more specific you can be, the better. You want to more or less make notes for when you take depositions and have scanned files to refer to?


If that’s the case, and you don’t really need to access any platform-locked apps (many EHR are only Windows, some are web-based, some are OSX only...), then i would put priority on battery life + comfortable size and then probably put more emphasis on the keyboard/touchpad than most anything else.


Guy above suggests the new MacBook Air.
Advantages: long battery life with internals that should remain relevant for the above purpose for years.
Possible advantage: can use iPad as 2nd monitor while on the go
Cons: if you really need such a minimal device, the cost is high
It’s also a first generation product. The first month seems to indicate it’s much more “hit” than miss, and tech is interesting with a new generatIon of product being released annually. The only way to not “early adopt” is to buy nearly obsolete equipment.


In that same price range, there are lots of options of nice products. Would you mind shedding some light on:
Preferred size
Realistic budget constraints?
Posted by Hopeful Doc
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

The problem is attorneys request any and all records. Stop asking for all when you don’t really need them all.



You can’t know what you don’t know. Not asking for all allows for omission of some that could be incriminating or interesting (not that anyone worth a damn would withhold what they felt to be compelling). Further, if you aren’t a doctor or a lawyer working on one kind of malpractice case over and over, you are unlikely to be able to know, offhand, what you’re interested in finding and where you will find it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 3:20 pm to
get a good surface book. they're well made and can function as a tablet, which is a big help in court/depos

other than price, the only issue is if you break it, they can't really be fixed (or upgraded)
This post was edited on 12/19/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted by TheOcean
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/19/20 at 6:44 pm to
I'm a solo...have an XPS. Love it
Posted by mr bojangles
Member since Apr 2009
357 posts
Posted on 12/19/20 at 10:30 pm to
I use a surface book which has a great stylus pen and writing sensitivity if you want to write your notes.

The surface book also has the processing power to multitasking between large medical pdfs and other work programs.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/20/20 at 9:13 am to
quote:

The problem is attorneys request any and all records. Stop asking for all when you don’t really need them all.
If there is any chance at all we will be offering them , we actually must have all.
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/20 at 1:01 pm to
Depending on exactly what you use it for, a Surface Pro 7 with the keyboard is great. Perfectly acceptable typing experience when you want to use it as a laptop, and you can quickly detach the keyboard when you want to use it as a tablet. And because it uses full Windows 10, you can run any program you want.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/20/20 at 3:26 pm to
Since others are PCs I'd stick with that. I use all Apple but my office is Apple so it makes things easier.

I would recommend an actual laptop (surface book, XPS, etc.). I've used a Surface Pro, but it's a luxury/nice to have item IMO for an attorney. I feel like laptop replacement advice just doesn't really apply to attorneys. I have an iPad Pro now, but I'm not dependent on it for anything. Good for notes, nice for trips where I don't expect to work much but need an emergency option and to be able to pound out some emails in a pinch.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 7:34 am to
unless money was a major issue, i don't know why someone would pick a surface pro over a surface book, honestly
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:10 am to
quote:

unless money was a major issue, i don't know why someone would pick a surface pro over a surface book, honestly



I agree, but then I see people making due with 1500 dollar iPad Pro/SP setups and I have no idea why they prefer that over a laptop that isn't THAT much bigger if you're going to be regularly typing on it.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 8:55 am to
i don't like the resolution on a SP. i could deal with it if an option like the SB wasn't available, but it's just so small

i am curious if the SP has any advantage over the SB. if you really think you'll use it more like a tablet i could see the size going to the SP, but for this discussion i'm assuming it will be in "laptop" more much more often

SB has the better screen, MUCH better keyboard, can be much more powerful, etc.

obviously i mean other than price. i got mine used for half the normal price though. i am not doing graphic design or movie editing with it. just basic legal tasks doesn't require more than the i5/8GB model
Posted by Joshjrn
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 10:31 pm to
Surface Books weigh about twice as much as a Surface Pro. And as you said, it’s not like attorneys actually need a high spec device.

Now, if the extent of your carrying your device is from your car to your office, sure. Frankly, you should probably get a full size monitor and a docking station. But if you’re in and out of court multiple days a week? I’ll take the Surface Pro.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Frankly, you should probably get a full size monitor and a docking station.

i have 2

but i have a big rig in my office office now for hopefully editing videos for youtube next year
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

i have 2


I assumed I wasn't telling you anything you didn't already know

But to put a finer point on it, people don't spend nearly enough time thinking about how they are actually going to use a device they are buying. I'll use myself as an example. For a very long time, I tried to jam productivity/mobility and gaming in my personal laptop. I always ended up with something that didn't do either very well. A few years ago when I bought my most recent personal laptop, I managed to control myself and bought something that sacrificed a bit of performance but was the thinnest and lightest device that had the specs I need. It has been my favorite laptop I have ever owned, because it did the thing I did most really well. Years later, when I was helping make purchasing decisions for my office, I once again really dug down into what these devices were going to be used for, and came to the conclusion that a super thin, super light two in one with full Windows 10 that is roughly as functional on a desk typing out a motion as it was flipping it around in court to show a client discovery was the best choice. So, we went Surface Pro 7 (which if you haven't typed on one, while obviously imperfect, has a much better typing experience than previous generations). Those who want a more traditional feel when they are at their desks incorporated monitors and docking stations.

So OP, spend more time thinking about what you need your device to do well than about which device is "best". There is no best. Until we develop cpus that don't put off heat and batteries that can last all day without taking up half the space in the chassis, everything is going to be a compromise. And once you've figured that out, see if there are other things (docking stations, etc) that can shore up some of the things your chosen device isn't great at.

Now, if you have specific questions about specific devices, by all means.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

came to the conclusion that a super thin, super light two in one with full Windows 10 that is roughly as functional on a desk typing out a motion as it was flipping it around in court to show a client discovery was the best choice.

i agree this is the best choice

we just disagree on the MS product

quote:

I managed to control myself and bought something that sacrificed a bit of performance but was the thinnest and lightest device that had the specs I need.

before i started looking into the SB, i almost went with a lenovo x1 carbon for this reason
Posted by Joshjrn
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/22/20 at 1:56 pm to
quote:

we just disagree on the MS product


It's mostly a disagreement on emphasis. It's more important to you to have a better typing experience and higher quality screen. It's more important to me that my briefcase/carryon weighs a pound and a half less when I go to court/travel.

It's not like either of us are saying that the Surface Book is lighter than the Surface Pro, or that the Surface Pro has the same quality screen and keyboard as the Surface Book
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