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Are VPNs worthless?

Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:00 pm
Posted by PenguinNinja
Antarctica (and Japan)
Member since Sep 2011
2082 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:00 pm
I subscribed to one to be able to watch ESPN, Amazon Video, and deposit checks with my banking app while out of the US, and all of those apps seems to know I’m connected via VPN (even when using a US server) and won’t let me do shite. What gives?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61512 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:34 pm to
I don't know about your bank, maybe they don't like the anonymous nature of the connection, but for all of the other services you mentioned, they are legal restrictions about where they can stream content. I wouldn't be surprised if there were financial repercussions if they stream out of area so they err on the side of caution.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38708 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:37 pm to
Some VPN's are better than others at unblocking sites. My VPN sometimes can get me on foreign streaming sites and sometimes it can't. But that's not what a VPN is for, it's really for concealing your online identity.
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 5:41 pm to
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it's really for concealing your online identity.


How does it hide it differently than say duckduckgo? Seriously have no clue how to be the most secure in general online.

And what is the current best one?
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38708 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 6:06 pm to
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How does it hide it differently than say duckduckgo?


duckduckgo is just a search engine that doesn't collect data on you and tailor your searches to your data profile like Google search does. A vpn will hide everything you do online.
Posted by TAMU-93
Sachse, TX
Member since Oct 2012
898 posts
Posted on 5/22/19 at 6:57 pm to
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How does it hide it differently than say duckduckgo?


Let's say you're at your mom's house with your best friend Rick. You tell Rick, "ogay uybay omesay eedway omfray ablopay". Rick goes to Pablo's house and buys some weed. He returns with it in a brown paper bag.

What does ISP mom know? What does VPN Rick know? What does Pornsite Pablo know?

That is basically how a VPN works. It's not end to end anonymity.
This post was edited on 5/22/19 at 7:03 pm
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
10472 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 10:05 am to
FWIW I live abroad and use ExpressVPN with limited to no issues. Also use a DNS server for the AppleTV which works fine as well.
Posted by whodat727
Member since May 2019
2 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 11:16 am to
I currently use private internet access (PIA) for home use. It works pretty great and I can choose any server locations of my choosing locally or internationally. However, the only protection a VPN will offer is to conceal your IP address. If you are using Chrome for example, google is still tracking all of your searches, browsing, and behavior. This is called digital fingerprinting. They track the operating system you use,sites you frequent etc. This is to paint a digital canvas that will know who you are no matter the IP address you are using.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64033 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 12:39 pm to
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If you are using Chrome for example, google is still tracking all of your searches, browsing, and behavior. This is called digital fingerprinting. They track the operating system you use,sites you frequent etc. This is to paint a digital canvas that will know who you are no matter the IP address you are using.


But if you combine a VPN with TOR browswer, you are ok?
Posted by whodat727
Member since May 2019
2 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 2:19 pm to
I wouldn't recommend using Tor. Tor is solely running off of volunteers who contribute nodes to their community (A node being a virtual check point that is supposed to intercept, encrypt and redirect your traffic). A volunteer can be literally anyone including hackers and the government.

Firefox is
Posted by Hester Carries
Member since Sep 2012
22431 posts
Posted on 5/23/19 at 2:42 pm to
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Let's say you're at your mom's house with your best friend Rick. You tell Rick, "ogay uybay omesay eedway omfray ablopay". Rick goes to Pablo's house and buys some weed. He returns with it in a brown paper bag.

What does ISP mom know? What does VPN Rick know? What does Pornsite Pablo know?

That is basically how a VPN works. It's not end to end anonymity.



This is the worst explanation of anything I have ever seen.
Posted by Pepperoni
Mar-a-Lago
Member since Aug 2013
3485 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 6:54 am to
Below is a comprehensive review of VPN providers compiled by a non commercial supported source:

That Privacy Guy on VPN Providers


See also here on brief discussion on why bank may insist on additional ID from you if you are using a VPN:

https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32345790-Do-they-know-when-you-re-using-VPN
This post was edited on 5/24/19 at 7:04 am
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18645 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:20 am to
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I wouldn't recommend using Tor. Tor is solely running off of volunteers who contribute nodes to their community (A node being a virtual check point that is supposed to intercept, encrypt and redirect your traffic). A volunteer can be literally anyone including hackers and the government.


Tor routes your traffic using multiple layers of nodes. Yes, there's a good chance some nodes could be compromised, but redundancy makes up for that.

There's absolutely nothing that stops a VPN provider from being a malicious actor either.

This is why we have layered security.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 5:05 pm to
quote:

it's really for concealing your online identity.


It's not though. It doesn't do that at all. It's for hiding your traffic from your ISP. That way you don't get DCMA notices or slowdown from their end. It really does nothing to hide your identity. Especially if you log in to websites and Facebook. Sure, the random odd webpage won't know who you are, but that's about it.
Posted by Zappas Stache
Utility Muffin Research Kitchen
Member since Apr 2009
38708 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 5:55 pm to
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It's not though. It doesn't do that at all. It's for hiding your traffic from your ISP.


That's what I meant but was trying to keep things simple. Obviously if you are logging into sites, they will have some info about you. But you can hide your identity if you know what you ate doing.



Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 6:58 pm to
Makes sense.
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 5/24/19 at 9:53 pm to
I like Tunnel Bear
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