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re: Apple taking more shots at Google...
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:27 pm to SlackMaster
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:27 pm to SlackMaster
Apple just wants the data so they can keep have a slice of the advertising market for themselves.
Google had a big jump since Google AdWords has been around since the dawn of digital advertising. Now Apple is going to harvest this device data for themselves (even if you opt out of sharing your days they can still target you in Apple Search Ads, as one example)
What Apple is really doing is winning the PR battle with confused consumers, so Google will have to shift to the same privacy standards which just hurts them. Smart move by Apple. But neither of them give a shite about our privacy
Google had a big jump since Google AdWords has been around since the dawn of digital advertising. Now Apple is going to harvest this device data for themselves (even if you opt out of sharing your days they can still target you in Apple Search Ads, as one example)
What Apple is really doing is winning the PR battle with confused consumers, so Google will have to shift to the same privacy standards which just hurts them. Smart move by Apple. But neither of them give a shite about our privacy
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 3:28 pm
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:48 pm to TigerGman
I have android, like the interface, but I despise what Google does with your data. I might have to consider switching at some point.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 3:57 pm to SlackMaster
They compete in phones, multiple OSes, browsers, health information, music delivery, TV/video consumption and playback devices, consumer cloud storage, virtual assistants, vehicle integration and productivity suites just off the top of my head. Apple wants to be as intertwined in your life as Google and for the same reason. But go ahead and keep being delusional.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 4:06 pm to BhamDore
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If your not storing kiddie porn on Google photos I fail to the problem.
You don't think big tech's data collection means shite unless you're peddling child porn? Wow
Posted on 2/12/21 at 4:10 pm to TigerGman
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"where's my free shite" Google
How much did you pay for Siri, Safari, apple car play, Apples productivity suite, Apple maps, etc. Don't act like Google is the only guilty party in the old "if you don't pay for it you are the product" game. The fact you actually pay for some of the shite Google offers for free believing you're now under some Apple security blanket makes you a bigger chump than the rest of us chumps.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:06 pm to Fat Batman
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How much did you pay for Siri, Safari, apple car play, Apples productivity suite, Apple maps, etc.
Which of these can I use, realistically, without paying Apple a dime for a prior purchase? All of these are features/extensions of Apple hardware that a user would have paid for. If iPhone/Mac didn't exist, neither would any of these things.
Siri is a feature I can only get through the purchase of an Apple iPhone or Macintosh product.
Safari on Windows existed to shake up the browser market and was abandoned 8 years ago, so now it can only be used on an Apple iPhone or Macintosh product.
Maps can only be accessed on an iPhone/Macintosh
Out of all the stuff you brought up iWork is the only product that can currently be used by making an Apple ID and just logging in
If Apple were so interested in collecting data and profiting off of it to the same degree that Google is, it sure is weird that they don't make these services accessible to anyone except those who bought their expensive hardware. How come maps.google.com and maps.bing.com go straight to a mapping service, but maps.apple.com is a website advertising to buy Apple devices so you can get their maps?
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With new cycling directions and alerts for speed cameras and red-light cameras, Maps makes it easier, safer, and more environmentally friendly to get where you need to go with any of your Apple devices. And with Guides to help you find the best places to eat, shop, and explore, you’ll have more to do and experience when you get there.
Meanwhile 99% of Google services do not require any prior purchase.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:08 pm to Fat Batman
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But go ahead and keep being delusional.
Thanks. You're so smart.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:42 pm to SlackMaster
Getting testy in here.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 5:53 pm to Korkstand
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Getting testy in here.
No doubt. And not sure where it's coming from. Angry man/smarty pants raises all kinds of facts but doesn't address the main point that Apple/Microsoft have very different business models and this gives them different motivations. No, they aren't the bastions of privacy but they are indeed better.
Anyway, it's fine if he disagrees and wants to debate, but I don't understand the need for the derogatory comments. It's not like you can change anyone's mind by insulting them.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:15 pm to SlackMaster
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No, they aren't the bastions of privacy
Only point I'm trying to make. Not defending Google.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:17 pm to efrad
Great, you could say the same about these being features of Google devices, they just allow everyone. Gating their info harvesters doesn't change their intent. They don't spend millions developing Safari, etc out of the goodness of their heart to make your privacy better.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:54 pm to Korkstand
Man. Android vs iOS debates used to consist of talking shite about wallpapers, lack there of, customization, etc.
Now in 2021 it's a full blown existential debate.
Now in 2021 it's a full blown existential debate.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:55 pm to SlackMaster
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Apple/Microsoft
Microsoft is one of the worst companies around about harvesting your data fwiw.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:57 pm to Fat Batman
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Great, you could say the same about these being features of Google devices, they just allow everyone.
"Allow everyone" in this context means "for free and not tied to a Google device." They can't simultaneously be developed as features solely intended to drive sales of Google devices (like Siri, Maps, etc. are for Apple) and at the same time don't at all need a Google device.
Google Search, Gmail, YouTube, etc. all existed prior to or completely independent of Google's devices anyway. Google didn't buy YouTube to give Pixel users something to watch. They bought it to make money off of advertising.
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Gating their info harvesters doesn't change their intent.
It's not simply "gating," it's a completely different revenue structure which implies different motivations for the direction of their software.
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They don't spend millions developing Safari, etc out of the goodness of their heart to make your privacy better.
No, but they might spend millions developing Safari privacy features to make it a superior product to earn your dollars as 100% of the users they're developing for are paid users.
Google is primarily an advertising company, Apple is primarily a hardware company, neither can be denied and one requires user data exploitation to survive and the other one doesn't. I'm not claiming Apple is the perfect bastion of privacy either, but their company structure doesn't require eviscerating privacy to survive like Google's has been.
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:10 pm to efrad
Are you saying Safari and all the other free software for iOS devices recoup their development cost from device sales?
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:15 pm to Fat Batman
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How much did you pay for Siri, Safari, apple car play, Apples productivity suite, Apple maps, etc.
Ugh. why do you think Macs are so expensive?
Posted on 2/12/21 at 8:16 pm to Fat Batman
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Are you saying Safari and all the other free software for iOS devices recoup their development cost from device sales?
I am saying that Safari and all of the other free software/services Apple writes recoup vastly more of their development costs from device sales than Google's free software/services, which is better for my privacy.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:32 pm to efrad
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Google is primarily an advertising company, Apple is primarily a hardware company, neither can be denied and one requires user data exploitation to survive and the other one doesn'
Exactly. So Apple is forcing Google to move toward their model (which hurts Google) by winning this “privacy” PR battle. Because now Google has to respond to the consumer demand for “privacy”
Apple doesn’t really care, and the benefit to the user is marginal at best. Clearly Apple wants in to the advertising game as well (see Apple Search Ads still being able to device target even if a user opts out)
Getting less targeted ads, woohoo. That just means bigger brands will buy up the ad space because smaller brands won’t be able to hyper target for users anymore
This post was edited on 2/12/21 at 9:38 pm
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