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re: You gotta admit, the U.S. using a 4-4-2 to frustrate/neutralize England is pretty funny

Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Caplewood
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:16 pm to
Gregg Simeone
Posted by bless u boys
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:25 pm to
Gregg has set us up nicely to begin both games.
His substitution timing and choices have been awful. Now that Gio came on late, can someone justify Jordan Morris coming on against Wales? I don't understand his logic.
Posted by Alyosha
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:29 pm to
Because of MLS “speed and power” bro.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:34 pm to
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Gregg has set us up nicely to begin both games. His substitution timing and choices have been awful. Now that Gio came on late, can someone justify Jordan Morris coming on against Wales? I don't understand his logic.

Agreed, at least on the timing part.

But the fact that Gio got a whopping 11 minutes today tells me Gio is nursing an injury. There’s zero chance Gregg actually prefers Morris to Gio.
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 9:34 pm
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:34 pm to
I'm not saying he's perfect. His substitutions have been bad. I called him out when he went defensive after 60 minutes against Wales. My point is that you can't deny that he got it absolutely right to start both games. I think he got it right most of today's game until we got gassed and he was late on his subs.

Gregg is pretty similar to Southgate actually where they're both capable of putting together a great gameplan and exploiting a team, but neither of them are great at adjusting on the fly.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:35 pm to
It definitely seems like we’re are playing 10.5 against 11 with how little we ask of our 9.

If Gio was the 9, I would think he has the confidence and the reputation to not worry about inserting himself in the game more frequently.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:38 pm to
Also interesting that Haji was pressing less than Weah or Pulisic against the English defenders-none of whom looked good in distribution besides Trippier.
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:43 pm to
Yeah, I wish we were a tad more aggressive at times with the press, especially when Aaronson came on.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 9:48 pm to
The non-press is by design. We wanted to give them that possession across their own back 4 knowing damn well that they weren't going to be able to break lines with Harry Maguire. There were several times that they got frustrated and just ended up bombing a ball out of bounds.

We also wanted to sit farther back which didn't allow Kane, Saka, Sterling to get the ball in space running at our back line. Once they got the ball to the wide spaces, we were able to double and force them to play backwards.

Pressing would've been a mistake today.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:26 pm to
But there were moments were Weah and Pulisic pressed. It was definitely not a point of emphasis but I think it would have been helpful to see more of it.

The English defenders were uncomfortable on the ball on their own but it’s not as if Haji was dropping back much on defense from what I could tell.

The US definitely did well against the speed of the English attackers, and besides an early Saka run and a couple of nice plays from Kane, they were pretty quiet. Sterling did nothing and I didn’t hear much at all from Rashford after coming in as a sub. Grealish looked good on the ball a couple of times but nothing incredible, so I’m pleased with the general strategy.

I do think the English players left alone tended to pass the ball around a lot and waste their own time, but wouldn’t Haji in tandem with Weah have been able to cause more issues at points? And then especially with fresh-legged Sargent and Aaronson?
This post was edited on 11/25/22 at 10:27 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 10:57 pm to
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Agree about Wright. He's massive but he played like he's 5'9. I get the thought process of trying to occupy both of the center backs and force them to stay engaged and not help the wings, but Wright wasn't making much happen.


This is where having Jozy for such a long time comes into relief. Jozy would have absolutely tried to match Maguire and Stones physically. Maybe the only player we have in the pool who actually fits that role is Dike. It was also an obvious way of getting Pulisic closer to the box. If Wright had at any point gained inside position on Stones using his body when Pulisic was driving from the left, that would have been an opportunity to either combine with Pulisic or for Pulisic to drop a ball into that left hand channel. There was an opportunity like that just before Wright came off, but Pulisic over hit it.

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I don't think it's a bad idea to have Gio play there to occupy a center back by forcing him to pick up a little further up the field. May help us in creating some passing lanes that we struggle to find against a low block.


I would even take a heavily rotating front three. Weah is adept enough at and can probably play across the front line, Gio can play either wide position, and even Aaronson is positionally versatile. I'm happy enough with the play to the final third, but having a competent striker is pretty much a necessity to chance creation, and we don't have a competent striker at the moment.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:03 pm to
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The English defenders were uncomfortable on the ball on their own but it’s not as if Haji was dropping back much on defense from what I could tell.



He was pretty much trying to eat a passing lane, preventing an easy entry pass to Rice and Bellinham while Weah and Pulisic were more aggressive in their press.

Given how little Wright seemed to move, I'd be willing to bet the plan was for him to press if an English player was going to dribble the ball into midfield and cut passing lanes so they would have to use the wing.
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:05 pm to
Exactly. Haji was tasked with sagging back and cutting off the easy pass for Maguire or Stones to Rice.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 11/25/22 at 11:19 pm to
Yeah, England only had Declan Rice as a distributor today. Rice is solid enough but he wasn't on the ball today and I think that was by design by the U.S. It allowed Musah and Adams to basically negate Bellingham/Mount unless they wanted to drop in super deep. I haven't looked at the individual stats from the game today but it felt like our midfield just completely shut theirs down and I think Wright's role was just cutting off the easy outlet to Rice.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:10 am to
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Also interesting that Haji was pressing less than Weah or Pulisic against the English defenders-none of whom looked good in distribution besides Trippier.


the one thing you want to do against maguirre is press him, and we did not
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:13 am to
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we don't have a competent striker at the moment.


Yes we do. And his name is Pepi
Posted by Broski
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 12:39 am to
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Yes we do. And his name is Pepi




Meh, he is no more competent than Sargent and Wright presently. But he does have the most upside for the next cycle though.
Posted by WicKed WayZ
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 1:08 am to
Both Sargent and Pepi have higher ceilings, esp since Sargent is finally getting some run in club play
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 8:50 am to
England are figs too now, not quite on the German level but I imagine theyll get there.
Posted by cwil177
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Posted on 11/26/22 at 9:57 am to
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He was pretty much trying to eat a passing lane, preventing an easy entry pass to Rice and Bellinham while Weah and Pulisic were more aggressive in their press. Given how little Wright seemed to move, I'd be willing to bet the plan was for him to press if an English player was going to dribble the ball into midfield and cut passing lanes so they would have to use the wing.

We played the 4-4-2 in defense. The scheme up top seemed to be Haji or Weah pressing the CB closest to them when they had the ball, with the other tracking Rice to prevent the easy outlet. It worked great, as Rice’s passing was a non factor.
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