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re: Would it be better if more colleges started
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:21 am to MOT
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:21 am to MOT
quote:It would absolutely be a positive for the sport as a whole if it were to happen, and indirectly benefit the the national team.
It has to make sense for the schools/conferences and its purpose wouldn’t be to develop national team players or pros, but I think it could absolutely change the way the game is viewed which could have an indirect impact on those two things
A lot of kids start in soccer before moving to other sports, you need more people like Ndamukong Suh crediting their agility and footwork to growing up playing soccer, rather than specializing in a single sport, which happens too early
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:25 am to Citica8
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It would absolutely be a positive for the sport as a whole if it were to happen, and indirectly benefit the the national team.
A lot of kids start in soccer before moving to other sports, you need more people like Ndamukong Suh crediting their agility and footwork to growing up playing soccer, rather than specializing in a single sport, which happens too early
None of this can happen with Title IX.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:33 am to TXGunslinger10
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You might just discover some players that went unnoticed as teenagers that could actually help the team.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 10:36 am to dgnx6
That’s the most obvious holdup. Any idea how Kentucky and South Carolina make it work? Do they carry extra women’s teams that others don’t or did they sacrifice some men’s sports?
New expenses in the revenue share world would be a problem also.
New expenses in the revenue share world would be a problem also.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 11:31 am to TXGunslinger10
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Everybody drop Men’s tennis…because let’s be honest nobody gives a frick if we are good at tennis or not.
It's funny that you pick tennis - It's a great example of why this wouldn't work imo, beyond maybe adding some USL or MLS depth. USA gets whipped at tennis because most of the best players are pros as 15-16 year olds, just like soccer. By the time they get to college, they're playing catch up.
The college system works better for sports that require a lot of physical development or maturity. Football/Basketball are especially obvious & golf is another great example. You just don't see dominant guys in those sports until their early 20s usually (even older for golf), which fits the college age range much better.
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/10/26 at 11:46 am to Bigdawgb
Soccer has to be developed at the youth level pre-high school and college.
Football dominates the public school systems and especially high school and college
Baseball has a thriving youth development circuit (yes we all make fun of Braxton and his World Series) with kids being drafted to the minors out of high school. Few go to college.
Basketball has thriving college scene, but reality is the development is in youth AAU leagues.
Even track and field has a vibrant AAU system where young athletes are getting incredible coaching starting at middle school level.
Soccer is dominated by the pay for play club leagues kind of related to the baseball youth system but it’s a mess of itself.
The MLS needs more youth academies and scout these young players. From there allow these teams to sell these kids’ contracts to other teams, this is how international academies fund their programs.
I also think a vibrant and functionalist USL would be great and provide more opportunity and competition to the MLS. A byproduct of a vibrant youth academy scene and USL would be not only provide more avenues for kids to play, but multiply the number of kids who grow up in organized soccer that can then become coaches to more youth teams.
We have an absolute black hole of coaching talent in this country.
Football dominates the public school systems and especially high school and college
Baseball has a thriving youth development circuit (yes we all make fun of Braxton and his World Series) with kids being drafted to the minors out of high school. Few go to college.
Basketball has thriving college scene, but reality is the development is in youth AAU leagues.
Even track and field has a vibrant AAU system where young athletes are getting incredible coaching starting at middle school level.
Soccer is dominated by the pay for play club leagues kind of related to the baseball youth system but it’s a mess of itself.
The MLS needs more youth academies and scout these young players. From there allow these teams to sell these kids’ contracts to other teams, this is how international academies fund their programs.
I also think a vibrant and functionalist USL would be great and provide more opportunity and competition to the MLS. A byproduct of a vibrant youth academy scene and USL would be not only provide more avenues for kids to play, but multiply the number of kids who grow up in organized soccer that can then become coaches to more youth teams.
We have an absolute black hole of coaching talent in this country.
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 7/10/26 at 11:54 am to dgnx6
It's way more than just title 9
Posted on 7/10/26 at 12:08 pm to Citica8
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It's way more than just title 9
LSU can't have a mens soccer team without dropping a men's sport.
This is all about titie 9. It would take Congress. That my friend will be an impossible thing.
To me it's not about funding, it's that you actually need Congress to act to make this even remotely possible.
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 7/10/26 at 1:16 pm to TigerV
I said most of this in another thread.
The focus on winning and not on development at the youngest levels is a cultural problem in the country, I promise that winning the Ballon Festival Cup at 9 is not a pre-requisite to a U-17 US National team call up.
UEFA coaching puts the best coaches at the youth levels, not high school. UEFA advanced licensing is also more about how to develop individuals, teams, and clubs, while US advanced licenses are more about tactics. The process to get advanced licenses is near impossible if you have a job besides coaching, while also coaching, which is a requirement for the license.
Soccer has too many subsets or individual leagues competing against each other for kids to fill their teams and tournaments. Outside of recreational, there are between 3-8 divisions of competitive club soccer for USYS alone, then on the "club" side ECNL, MLS Next, ODP, and probably another half dozen I have no idea about, all operating under USSF. It waters down the local clubs, and is forcing teams to have to drive 6 hours one way for one game to find competitive teams under the same umbrella, and this is starting before kids hit puberty.
I think kids should have to play for a local club within reason if available, similar to how Little League baseball operates, that rolls into a revamped ODP program (name it something different) where travel and lodging for regional and national ODP events are paid for by a small fee from every player under the USSF across the country at no cost to the players would let the best players in the country play against the best, and get exposure to the European clubs regardless of how much disposable income their parents have, it should not cost money to try out or play for ODP.
The focus on winning and not on development at the youngest levels is a cultural problem in the country, I promise that winning the Ballon Festival Cup at 9 is not a pre-requisite to a U-17 US National team call up.
UEFA coaching puts the best coaches at the youth levels, not high school. UEFA advanced licensing is also more about how to develop individuals, teams, and clubs, while US advanced licenses are more about tactics. The process to get advanced licenses is near impossible if you have a job besides coaching, while also coaching, which is a requirement for the license.
Soccer has too many subsets or individual leagues competing against each other for kids to fill their teams and tournaments. Outside of recreational, there are between 3-8 divisions of competitive club soccer for USYS alone, then on the "club" side ECNL, MLS Next, ODP, and probably another half dozen I have no idea about, all operating under USSF. It waters down the local clubs, and is forcing teams to have to drive 6 hours one way for one game to find competitive teams under the same umbrella, and this is starting before kids hit puberty.
I think kids should have to play for a local club within reason if available, similar to how Little League baseball operates, that rolls into a revamped ODP program (name it something different) where travel and lodging for regional and national ODP events are paid for by a small fee from every player under the USSF across the country at no cost to the players would let the best players in the country play against the best, and get exposure to the European clubs regardless of how much disposable income their parents have, it should not cost money to try out or play for ODP.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 1:31 pm to Citica8
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think kids should have to play for a local club within reason if available, similar to how Little League baseball operates, that rolls into a revamped ODP program (name it something different) where travel and lodging for regional and national ODP events are paid for by a small fee from every player under the USSF across the country at no cost to the players would let the best players in the country play against the best, and get exposure to the European clubs regardless of how much disposable income their parents have, it should not cost money to try out or play for ODP.
I'm sure big travel ball Inc. would hate to lose their cash cow, but this seems like it would be a much more efficient way to run soccer in the US.
The fact that we have so many people playing means that even a small fee could still generate tons of money. You could then use that money to fund the truly elite academies & coaching at the highest levels. I don't honestly think we'd ever have enough money to pay for top coaches for all our millions of youth, but this would maximize what we have available.
I do think at some point that we (or an MLS club) need to make a jump with the academy system. Asking a 10-14 year old to move overseas is a huge barrier, but almost all the best players now (even the South Americans) go through Euro academies first. The USSF backed up the brinks truck for Poch, could someone make a similar move & poach top academy staffing?
I think we see a move like this in the next 10 years
This post was edited on 7/10/26 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/10/26 at 1:32 pm to dgnx6
quote:That's not exactly how Title 9 works. They could add another women's sport or 2 as long as they are offering the same number of scholarships for male and female, but then they would be operating in the red financially, because those sports do not bring in money. It's funding, and without the sport dominating the TV, its not going to be sustainable, let alone profitable.
LSU can't have a mens soccer team without dropping a men's sport.
This is all about titie 9. It would take Congress. That my friend will be an impossible thing.
To me it's not about funding, it's that you actually need Congress to act to make this even remotely possible.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 1:47 pm to Bigdawgb
The Academy system works so well in Europe because England is the size of Louisiana or Alabama and has a population of 50 million people. France has a population of 70 million and is a little bigger than California.
The US is so spread out you have the best coaches available to the district level, state level, and regional level on a regular basis and also available to everyone with promise... at an early age, regardless of parents income.
The MLS teams should also help supplement the ODP type funding.
The US is so spread out you have the best coaches available to the district level, state level, and regional level on a regular basis and also available to everyone with promise... at an early age, regardless of parents income.
The MLS teams should also help supplement the ODP type funding.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 1:52 pm to nicholastiger
Doesn't increasing the amount of mid players a solution? Maybe if colleges did partnerships with hs schools and focused on development and increasing iq of the game?
Posted on 7/10/26 at 2:56 pm to Bigdawgb
Something not a lot of people know: lots of international tennis players on college teams. The same can be said of college soccer. It’s not necessarily a pathway for more domestic players.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 3:05 pm to Citica8
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That's not exactly how Title 9 works. They could add another women's sport or 2 as long as they are offering the same number of scholarships for male and female, but then they would be operating in the red financially, because those sports do not bring in money.
That or reduce men’s scholarships in other sports. Not all sports have “full” scholarships. In fact, for the universities that do have men’s soccer, most, if not all of the scholarships are partial.
Also, with all the $ that the players are now paid in the profitable sports, couldn’t they just make some of those partial scholarships? Maybe just reduce the # of scholarships for the higher paid athletes? The payments to the top athletes seems to make those scholarships superfluous
Posted on 7/10/26 at 5:25 pm to Smokin Joe Dumas
Keep soccer as a club sport but with professional contracts with USL and NIL money.
That eliminates NCAA issues and Title IX issues.
That eliminates NCAA issues and Title IX issues.
Posted on 7/10/26 at 6:11 pm to nicholastiger
quote:If you will admit 8 year olds to teach them soccer from a very young age.
Would it be better if more colleges started
Posted on 7/11/26 at 12:03 pm to nicholastiger
Most college rosters are filled by euros and africans who's ceiling is getting a tryout with MLS. Some school in MO bragged that they're entire roster was foreigners.
This post was edited on 7/11/26 at 12:05 pm
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