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Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:57 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Men's soccer in this country would similarly benefit if a similar huge increase in the amount of of our young men were playing at the high school level.
They are. My high school has 5 soccer teams (3 boys, 2 girls).
The vast majority of the schools in my area have at least a boys Varsity and JV. There are more men's teams at the high school level than there are women's. Compare that to how many women were playing before title IX and it isn't even close.
We have enough people playing, what we are missing is the quality coaches at the youth level and the desire by these kids to practice by themselves in their own time.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 10:58 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 10:59 am to pvilleguru
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what we are missing is the quality coaches at the youth level
You would probably have more coaches available if there were more college programs and thus more players trained at a higher level than is currently the case.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:02 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Men's soccer in this country would similarly benefit if a similar huge increase in the amount of of our young men were playing at the high school level. And that won't happen without more men's programs at the college level.
There is not a shortage of young male soccer players in this country. In terms of numbers, we have more young players than most countries. We are behind because of development.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:06 am to Bluefin
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We are behind because of development.
And Spanish announcers
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:08 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I doubt it, because those in college aren't getting great coaching themselves. We're just getting out of the era where the youth coaches are just dad's that have never watched soccer. In the last 5 years, soccer has really found a foothold on TV. Now, it is much easier to learn the game by watching the best. You can sit down with kids on weekends now and watch soccer all day, discussing tactics, skills, etc. that they can go an practice in the back yard.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:08 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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No it points back to more players playing soccer because of more college programs.
due to Title IX. That is what you said earlier.
It comes down to what percentage of kids are playing the sport. In the US, we have a high percentage of girls playing soccer. Further analyze number of full-time or university players. In other countries those numbers are very low.... almost 0 when it comes to university or "full time."
Take semifinalist Germany. Their starting LB Tabea Kemme is studying/working to become a police officer 8 hours a day, training for soccer afterwards. A starter on a semifinalist team at a WWC doesn't even play full-time. That isn't an anomaly either, most of the players in other countries for women have other jobs. The US team lives/plays together full-time almost 250 days out of the year. THAT is why we are successful. Once other countries begin having females play full-time, we will not be as dominant.
That isn't the case for any team on the mens side. College soccer isn't the answer.
Our women's team is a power because ours play full time, while others don't. Everybody on the mens side plays full time.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:12 am to Bluefin
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We are behind because of development
And why is that? Why does a nation of 318 million people lose to a nation of 11 million?
Because young players aren't pushed to excel at the sport. It has to start at a young age, and you need the parents of the children fully invested into their child's development.
The way parents invest into their child's development of football, basketball, baseball, and hockey. There is an ocean of difference between the involvement of parents in traditional American sports and soccer.
Go see the effect of Title IX for yourself. Attend a women's soccer game at the college level, and talk to the other fans. It's very congenial group, and a lot of the parents of the players will be there. They're very proud of their daughters, and rightfully so.
We need that kind of involvement, and investment by parents for young boys. Because in creating more destinations for young men to play at a higher level, more will choose to play, and stick with the sport.
And the cream will rise to the top. Right now, Men's soccer in this country is skimming from a shallower pot than it should be.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:15 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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And why is that? Why does a nation of 318 million people lose to a nation of 11 million?
Because while our kids are going to high school and college, their kids are playing soccer.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:15 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Because young players aren't pushed to excel at the sport. It has to start at a young age, and you need the parents of the children fully invested into their child's development.
College will not accomplish this.
And fricking this:
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Because while our kids are going to high school and college, their kids are playing soccer.
There is your answer. This thread should be locked
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:16 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:15 am to 5thTiger
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College soccer isn't the answer.
You are in a circular argument. You're absolutely ignoring the affect Title IX...which was legislation aimed at COLLEGES...had on the number of young girls choosing to play soccer and sticking with their choice. Because they knew, and their parents knew, that there was a higher level to play at from grammar school on.
The affect I'm looking for on the men's side is not just at the college level. But at the very beginnings of participation by young boys at an early age.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:17 am to pvilleguru
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Because while our kids are going to high school and college, their kids are playing soccer.
So you're saying young soccer players in other countries...don't receive a high school education?
Wow...
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:19 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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The affect I'm looking for on the men's side is not just at the college level. But at the very beginnings of participation by young boys at an early age
I think you've made this abundantly clear. Soccer is the most popular sport to play as a kid in America. No one will argue that because it's 100% true. However, your argument that college will better our talent pool is not correct. Kids need to play year round in a stable setting. Not this grade school playground games to junior high to high school to college plan you are so adamant on.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:21 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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So you're saying young soccer players in other countries...don't receive a high school education?
Wow...
Please educate yourself, even just a little bit.
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The Ajax youth academy is not a boarding school. The players all live within a 35-mile radius of Amsterdam (some of them have moved into the area to attend the academy). Ajax operates a fleet of 20 buses to pick up the boys halfway through their school day and employs 15 teachers to tutor them when they arrive. Parents pay nothing except a nominal insurance fee of 12 euros a year, and the club covers the rest — salaries for 24 coaches, travel to tournaments, uniforms and gear for the players and all other costs associated with running a vast facility. Promising young players outside the Ajax catchment area usually attend academies run by other Dutch professional clubs, where the training is also free, as it is in much of the rest of the soccer-playing world for youths with pro potential. (The U.S., where the dominant model is “pay to play” — the better an athlete, the more money a parent shells out — is the outlier.)
Full article which will hopefully shut you up.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:22 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I am going to spell this out as slowly and with as few big words as possible. Women's college soccer works because it is the best way to make good soccer players in women's soccer. It is not about the exposure provided by college soccer. The US women had access to the best developmental system in women's soccer, so they got better faster. Our men do not have the best system, so we are not as good. You are confused about why women's college soccer has helped America.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:22 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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You would probably have more coaches available if there were more college programs and thus more players trained at a higher level than is currently the case.
Quality >>>>> quantity
And the top tier coaches are not coaching in college
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:23 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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So you're saying young soccer players in other countries...don't receive a high school education?
Not to the extent that ours do. I don't believe they are in school from 7-3 with just a 2 hour practice after school. They are playing soccer every day, all year, while you can only play for 4 months in our high schools.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:24 am to tsmi136
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However, your argument that college will better our talent pool is not correct.
I'm going by the affect Title IX had on the level and quality of participation at all age levels. Nine times the number of young women played sports at the high school level as a direct result of Title IX.
A similar increase by young men, who have more sports options than women, is probably unrealistic. But an increase, a big increase at that, can certainly be expected.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:26 am to pvilleguru
Hell, in Alabama, you can't play high school during the season, and then play with more than 6 of your teammates in the offseason.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 11:28 am to pvilleguru
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They are playing soccer every day, all year, while you can only play for 4 months in our high schools
But my point is, players just don't suddenly choose to begin playing in high school. Unlike in most other countries, like Belgium, US kids don't think soccer is king. It's more like the court jester of sports in this country. It's just not taken as seriously as it should be.
That was the case for women before Title IX.
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