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re: Title IX the reason the USA is a women's but not a men's power...

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Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:44 am to
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Fabregas - average height, dad bod


bravo

but his WAG
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:47 am to
No homo but Sanchez is pretty jacked and ripped


Posted by DoreonthePlains
Auburn, AL
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:42 am to
According to Google, he's still only 132 pounds. What other sport uses someone who is 5'7 and 132 pounds? Jockeys in horse racing? Don't get me wrong, he's an incredible player. I just think this "best athlete" thing is nonsense. He is physically suited to essentially only soccer. Could some guys like Lebron or whatever other top athlete comes to mind have developed into good to great soccer players? Maybe, but it's not because of their genetic tendency to be the model of American athleticism.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:46 am to
If Sanchez were to start playing American football, he would put on more weight. His playing weight wouldn't be 132.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 8:51 am
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:48 am to
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Could some guys like Lebron or whatever other top athlete comes to mind have developed into good to great soccer players? Maybe, but it's not because of their genetic tendency to be the model of American athleticism


Lebron basically could play two positions. In goal or up front, he would be a fast Crouch.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 8:49 am
Posted by DoreonthePlains
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 8:58 am to
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If Sanchez were to start playing American football, he would put on more weight. His playing weight wouldn't be 132.


Absolutely, but I doubt he would get over 175 without losing noticeable amounts of quickness. And how many guys that short are playing D1? RB is one of the positions where height matters least, but 5'7 is definitely on the short end (maybe beyond the end).
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:03 am to
I envision Sanchez as more of a slot receiver, like a Wes Welker type.

By the way, I love the direction the discussion in this thread has gone. Anything to put an end to the terrible Title IX discussion.
Posted by pvilleguru
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 9:03 am to
I think 5'7" would be fine. Especially at RB. If he was playing in college, he would be listed at 5'9".
Posted by montanagator
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 5:55 pm to
For all the talk about our "top athletes" not playing, lets be real to a certain extent its true but a lot of our top athletes wouldn't have been elite soccer players-- look at the size and build of top soccer players- maybe some WRs, CBs, RBs and shooting guards could migrate over if they had the footskill, and maybe 1 or 2 athletic QBs would be good at driving an offense (though most would lack the athleticism) but how many 6'8" soccer players are there at the top level? Lebron for example is a basketball player if he's born in Europe or South America as well, a guy like Brady probably plays pub soccer and can analyze things and see things develop well but is to slow to do anything about it.
Posted by montanagator
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:09 pm to
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“Come on,” Bruce Arena says. “We can’t copy what Brazil does or Germany does or England does. When we get it right, it’s going to be because the solutions are right here. We have the best sports facilities in the world. Why can’t we trust in that?” NY Times Seems not everyone agrees with you...shocking.


Yeah, and in the same article you just quoted.


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When it comes to soccer, however, Klinsmann remains European in his outlook. He bemoans the frequent loss of top young players in America to other sports like baseball or lacrosse. He believes the N.C.A.A. is killing the talent pool in the United States because teenage stars go to college and miss out on formative years of training with professional teams.



Klinsmann's not wrong but the question is where are these professional teams going to come from- the players who don't get picked out super early in Europe and South America develop with the local club team's affiliate we don't really have anything approaching that and we don't have the interest level to support all that many local club teams outside of the PNW, I mean even if MLS became large enough to support lavish developmental teams like the EPL or La Liga or what have you that would only partially solve the problem because those clubs are concentrated heavily in two dozen or so major cities.
Posted by montanagator
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:17 pm to
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So you're saying young soccer players in other countries...don't receive a high school education?


Wow...


Please educate yourself, even just a little bit.

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The Ajax youth academy is not a boarding school. The players all live within a 35-mile radius of Amsterdam (some of them have moved into the area to attend the academy). Ajax operates a fleet of 20 buses to pick up the boys halfway through their school day and employs 15 teachers to tutor them when they arrive. Parents pay nothing except a nominal insurance fee of 12 euros a year, and the club covers the rest — salaries for 24 coaches, travel to tournaments, uniforms and gear for the players and all other costs associated with running a vast facility. Promising young players outside the Ajax catchment area usually attend academies run by other Dutch professional clubs, where the training is also free, as it is in much of the rest of the soccer-playing world for youths with pro potential. (The U.S., where the dominant model is “pay to play” — the better an athlete, the more money a parent shells out — is the outlier.)


Full article which will hopefully shut you up.


The pay to play thing is a great point-- its also a huge obstacle in Baseball and its turning that sport (and has in some ways turned soccer) into a sport of dominated by suburban middle to upper middle class kids-- contrast that with Football or especially Basketball- you think someone like Derek Rose plays on a ton of AAU travelling teams growing up if his parents have to shell out 5 grand a year in travel costs alone? Its not a meritocracy its based on who can afford the best private coaches, the only position like it in Basketball or Football is Quaterback and even thats not as common.
Posted by montanagator
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:27 pm to
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But, having a freakish physical build doesn't make someone more athletic. Lionel Messi is the definition of "average" physically... until he starts running. He's not blazing fast but his agility and ability to change directions would make most NFL running backs jealous


I'm not sure he's not blazing fast, his 10 and 20 yard splits are or at least were at one point probably NFL level, maybe even faster since he's so light.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:31 pm to
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Your point is good but I think you're tending towards equating athleticism with freakish physical traits.

My biggest observation of the physical build of most world class soccer players is that they tend to be very average. You have some outliers that are quite tall but most tend to be in the "average male height" category... weights also tend to be pretty "average"... in fact, they often tend to slot right into the "normal weight" range if you calculate their BMI.

But, having a freakish physical build doesn't make someone more athletic. Lionel Messi is the definition of "average" physically... until he starts running. He's not blazing fast but his agility and ability to change directions would make most NFL running backs jealous.

The real point, though, is that we don't need our country's "best athletes" (as defined by their performance in sports that aren't soccer like football, basketball, etc) to field a top class soccer team... we need great soccer players... and great soccer players are developed, not born.




Actually, this does bring up an interesting point-- we could very well have some guys who if they had developed properly and played soccer would have been world class who maybe topped out as say a great college QB or a back up college PG-- guys with all the speed and agility you could want with high athletic IQs who don't meet the relatively rigid height/weight standards of elite Basketball and Football. This is why a viable highpaying MLS is important-- if the kid whose the star 5'8" PG in HS knows he can make millions in soccer instead of getting a preferred walk on offer to a Sunbelt school maybe he takes a different path.
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/8/15 at 6:35 pm to
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Could some guys like Lebron or whatever other top athlete comes to mind have developed into good to great soccer players? Maybe, but it's not because of their genetic tendency to be the model of American athleticism


Lebron basically could play two positions. In goal or up front, he would be a fast Crouch.


In goal he would be kind of insane though, and I think he could probably do as 9 in the way we hope Jozy will someday be-- I mean take a longball, box out and keep it to distribute those seem to fit his strengths.
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