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re: Title IX the reason the USA is a women's but not a men's power...
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:54 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 7/6/15 at 5:54 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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You keep looking at the wrong end of the telescope. It's just not about the college players...it's about the young players that will choose to play soccer in the first place because there are programs for them at age levels where athletes choose what sports to play...the programs that don't exist now.
If you are an elite level soccer player why would you choose college over going pro in Europe of the MLS? When college will hurt your development as a player.
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You clueless dunderhead...that's exactly what it will do. Because more players will exist. It's human nature to keep playing if there's a higher level to play at.
Clearly you are bc the restrictions in place at the college level do not promote playing at the highest level.
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Not all of them will be good enough for international play, but the pool of players is too shallow in this country. Because not enough players either start or keep playing after they start.
Sheesh.
More college soccer isn't going to change that.
What changes that is youth academies run by professional clubs and then getting our best players groomed in European academies.
The ones who don't hack it can go play college ball but for a large majority of them their dreams of becoming a pro are now over.
The America system does not work in soccer, so stop trying to say it would work.
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Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:12 am to StraightCashHomey21
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college
Out of everything I write, the only word you seem to see is that one.
Let me explain, as if to a child.
Title IX got more girls playing. And it started in reverse, at the college level. And then trickled down.
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If you are an elite level soccer player...
...then you probably started playing at a young age, eh? I haven't heard anything from you, not a peep, on how to increase the number of youngsters who choose to play soccer in the first place. You just keep skipping over that part.
We have the example of how the women's game increased in popularity, and it worked. And it the same principles would work if a similar number of men's college soccer programs existed. The same trickle down effect would occur.
Once you have the players, you can train them however you like...but first you have to get the players.
That's what the women's game did.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 6:16 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:15 am to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:21 am to StraightCashHomey21
Still nothing on how to entice more youngsters on how to get started.
Well, at this point, I didn't expect anything.
You are just determined to ignore what's needed to be done in this country to stimulate interest in men's soccer.
I imagine you looking down your long nose at the American game, while holding your pinky in the air.
Well, at this point, I didn't expect anything.
You are just determined to ignore what's needed to be done in this country to stimulate interest in men's soccer.
I imagine you looking down your long nose at the American game, while holding your pinky in the air.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:24 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Still nothing on how to entice more youngsters on how to get started.
well more youth leagues ran by pro clubs.
HS and College soccer are not the answer. Just about every HS has a team unless you are from the middle of no where. So more college soccer making more HS teams is not going to work.
Kids want to grow up and be pros in Europe not college soccer stars bc college soccer is not the path that needs to be taken.
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You are just determined to ignore what's needed to be done in this country to stimulate interest in men's soccer.
I know whats needs to be done along with the majority of this thread who are telling you that you are wrong.
How long have you followed the game? How long did you play?
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 6:27 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 6:35 am to StraightCashHomey21
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well more youth leagues ran by pro clubs.
Most youth leagues are paid for by the parents of the children playing in it. And why would they do that if there is no future for their boys? What's to entice those boys to keep playing? Another level of play maybe?
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Just about every HS has a team unless you are from the middle of no where.
What's funny is, I actually think you believe that.
Still not getting it...
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If you are an elite level soccer player...
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...then you probably started playing at a young age, eh?
This is the key...
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I know whats needs to be done along with the majority of this thread who are telling you that you are wrong.
You seem to be the only one posting lately...
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How long have you followed the game? How long did you play?
I could ask you the same question, but a better one would be...where did you learn to read and comprehend what you read? Because you should ask for a refund.
Again, the US women are at the top of the world as a direct result of increased interest from youngsters. These youngsters kept on in soccer because there was always another level for them to play at. Not everyone finds them self in sports right away..it sometimes takes time.
To get more "elite players" in this country, we need to get more players, period. Something you have no clue how to do.
More tea, old boy? Pip pip!
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:00 am to TigersOfGeauxld
quote:What area doesn't have high school teams? Hell, the only school in my area of Alabama that doesn't have a team is Lanier.
Just about every HS has a team unless you are from the middle of no where.
What's funny is, I actually think you believe that.
There's so many teams in my area, that we basically only assign 3 refs to the biggest games each week. Many of the schools have 3 men's teams.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 7:08 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:17 am to TigersOfGeauxld
quote:Really? Our women have been the best because we have at least cared a little bit about the women's game unlike the rest of the world. What level did they have above college? There's a lot more options for men at the adult level today than there has ever been for women. If you are any good at all, you can find a league to play in professionally.
Again, the US women are at the top of the world as a direct result of increased interest from youngsters. These youngsters kept on in soccer because there was always another level for them to play at.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:33 am to TigersOfGeauxld
I love post WC when posters watch one soccer game and come in here with ideas to change soccer for the better in this country
And as said before stop comparing the men and women - 2 completely different scenarios. If you are a man that is good at soccer in this country, your options aren't limited in the least bit. Also college soccer for men is the fallback option for not being good enough to go pro or be in an academy. For the women, unless you are a top star you aren't going to make much of a living playing soccer so getting a college scholarship to play and get an education is a pretty big carrot. For the men, not so much.
If you are truly interested in youth development and the models we are trying to emulate, go read up on the Belgian golden generation from this past WC and how that was kick started by an overhaul of their youth system some 12 years or so ago. This is the part of Klinnman's work that most soccer fans are most excited about. It will take years to see the fruits of the labor but it could be massive.
And as said before stop comparing the men and women - 2 completely different scenarios. If you are a man that is good at soccer in this country, your options aren't limited in the least bit. Also college soccer for men is the fallback option for not being good enough to go pro or be in an academy. For the women, unless you are a top star you aren't going to make much of a living playing soccer so getting a college scholarship to play and get an education is a pretty big carrot. For the men, not so much.
If you are truly interested in youth development and the models we are trying to emulate, go read up on the Belgian golden generation from this past WC and how that was kick started by an overhaul of their youth system some 12 years or so ago. This is the part of Klinnman's work that most soccer fans are most excited about. It will take years to see the fruits of the labor but it could be massive.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 7:49 am to etm512
This is like a Rex-level troll. I refuse to believe this guy actually believes any of the crap he's posting.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:04 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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Still nothing on how to entice more youngsters on how to get started.
A LARGE amount of American youth get involved in soccer at an early age. Almost every city, or at least county, has a youth soccer program of some sort where kids can go and play. Like another poster said, soccer programs are abundant at the high school level - I grew up in rural Georgia and can't think of a single high school that didn't have a soccer team.
Maintaining interest in the sport is a different issue, and that can be solved by expanding the access to and influence of youth soccer academies all across this country. If we do better at identifying young talent early on, we can get those kids to focus on growing into better players, so that by the time they hit the college age, they are already leaps and bounds ahead of the current standard of skill for college players.
Kids in America today want to grow up to be Messi or Ronaldo. The difference is that Messi and Ronaldo have been developing their game from world class institutions their whole lives. We don't have that here.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:07 am to tsmi136
quote:as a collegiate distance runner that's not true. We pretty much compete year round minus a month.
You do realize you can't play year round as a collegiate athlete right?
As for the OP I half heartedly agree. I think having college soccer spread at the men's level would definitely have benefits. If you and an extra incentive of a possible college scholarship into the mix I think it would entice more kids to play the game who may eventually catch on into a bigger pro youth academy or something. I don't think the problem is because there's no college soccer for our eventual national team members to play though (if that makes sense). That part is dumb.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 8:14 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:10 am to Pedro
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as a collegiate distance runner that's not true. We pretty much compete year round minus a month.
I don't believe you can do that in collegiate soccer. You can't practice with your team and coach every day for as long as you want like you can in any academy.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:15 am to pvilleguru
From a soccer only prospective that's probably correct. I was just making sure you weren't saying talking about an athletics as a whole stand point.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:16 am to pvilleguru
The U.S. will never be elite at soccer until they have a good youth academy system in place.
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:30 am to Pedro
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I was just making sure you weren't saying talking about an athletics as a whole stand point.
Yeah I was address soccer, not athletics in general. I should have been more specific
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:44 am to tsmi136
During the spring college soccer teams can only practice a certain amount of time like football and during the season maybe get a couple hours after class while having multiple games a week. While the European academies has no such restrictions once they hit that age.
The op is an idiot or a troll probably both.
The op is an idiot or a troll probably both.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 8:46 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 8:59 am to TigersOfGeauxld
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“Come on,” Bruce Arena says. “We can’t copy what Brazil does or Germany does or England does. When we get it right, it’s going to be because the solutions are right here. We have the best sports facilities in the world. Why can’t we trust in that?” NY Times Seems not everyone agrees with you...shocking.
Yeah, and in the same article you just quoted.
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When it comes to soccer, however, Klinsmann remains European in his outlook. He bemoans the frequent loss of top young players in America to other sports like baseball or lacrosse. He believes the N.C.A.A. is killing the talent pool in the United States because teenage stars go to college and miss out on formative years of training with professional teams.
This post was edited on 7/6/15 at 9:00 am
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:12 am to DukeSilver
Posted on 7/6/15 at 9:14 am to etm512
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I love post WC when posters watch one soccer game and come in here with ideas to change soccer for the better in this country
People who watch 60 minutes of soccer every few years quickly become experts.
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