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Time to clear the air on Julian Green
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:03 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:03 am
and other German Americans to an extent.
This is not directed at Randy, he has his convictions and sticks to them good on him. But this is for the others who seemed misinformed on the whole situation and post ignorant things like these guys are not good enough for Germany or why the frick are Green and Brooks on the team.
I posted this in the last game thread but wanted to expand on it
Klins has taken a page straight from the German playbook. Lets just look at their roster or recent call ups.
Poldi/Klose- Polish
Ozil- Turkish 3rd Generation
Khedira- Tunisian dad.
Mustafi- Albanian descent
Boateng- Dad from Ghana and Germany was all over his brother.
Sidney Sam- Parents from Nigeria.
Gündogan- Turkish Parents.
Green, Fab and Brooks where all capped at just about every level possible for Germany. Fab is good enough to make the German 23. Green and Brooks on the path they are on would for sure be in the mix the next world cup. Green esp, being a Bayern youth player with the potential to play for the first team soon. If you play regularly for Bayern its a lock you are getting a call up for the national team. Also look at another German American Shawn Parker kid has been capped by Germany at every level.
We have a coach using their mind set to improve our national team and hopefully it continues. Klins did this thinking forward b/c lets not forget he wasn't just hired for this WC but to overhaul the complete US Soccer program. Tactics, Youth Development, conditioning and the mentality of being a world class professional.
This is not directed at Randy, he has his convictions and sticks to them good on him. But this is for the others who seemed misinformed on the whole situation and post ignorant things like these guys are not good enough for Germany or why the frick are Green and Brooks on the team.
I posted this in the last game thread but wanted to expand on it
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Ok here is a little insight from someone who spent time behind enemy lines.
Yes he played on the reserve side and could easily could have been loaned out in the 2nd division.
Everyone needs to understand the German mindset when it comes to soccer. They feel if you have any german blood or born there it's your obligation to play for the Bund when called upon. Germany was all over Green from the start but Klins knows this and this move was to claim him before Germany could. Lots of times these players get capped by Germany who could have played elsewhere and then are stuck. They try lock down all potential talent and keep it away from others even if they have no intention of using them in the national team.
Klins has taken a page straight from the German playbook. Lets just look at their roster or recent call ups.
Poldi/Klose- Polish
Ozil- Turkish 3rd Generation
Khedira- Tunisian dad.
Mustafi- Albanian descent
Boateng- Dad from Ghana and Germany was all over his brother.
Sidney Sam- Parents from Nigeria.
Gündogan- Turkish Parents.
Green, Fab and Brooks where all capped at just about every level possible for Germany. Fab is good enough to make the German 23. Green and Brooks on the path they are on would for sure be in the mix the next world cup. Green esp, being a Bayern youth player with the potential to play for the first team soon. If you play regularly for Bayern its a lock you are getting a call up for the national team. Also look at another German American Shawn Parker kid has been capped by Germany at every level.
We have a coach using their mind set to improve our national team and hopefully it continues. Klins did this thinking forward b/c lets not forget he wasn't just hired for this WC but to overhaul the complete US Soccer program. Tactics, Youth Development, conditioning and the mentality of being a world class professional.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 7:10 pm
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Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:12 am to StraightCashHomey21
I would actually like for JAB to start. Either move Cameron to RB (except against Portugal if Ronaldo plays) or DM and let him start over Jones.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:39 am to StraightCashHomey21
Well said.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:43 am to BleedPurpleGold
I didn't really read the USMNT threads too much, but who is even questioning why these guys are on the team?
I mean, I get the LD controversy, but all in all these guys have big upsides
I mean, I get the LD controversy, but all in all these guys have big upsides
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:45 am to TFTC
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I didn't really read the USMNT threads too much, but who is even questioning why these guys are on the team?
I mean, I get the LD controversy, but all in all these guys have big upsides
Well the natural question people immediately ask is something alone the lines of "Well Green is here and LD isn't, so how does Green deserve a spot when LD doesn't."
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:47 am to TFTC
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I didn't really read the USMNT threads too much, but who is even questioning why these guys are on the team?
Randy for nativist reasons.
Others thinking that their spots could be taken by more tested players (Cakes, Goodson, etc.).
And then, of course, Chandler.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:48 am to BleedPurpleGold
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Well the natural question people immediately ask is something alone the lines of "Well Green is here and LD isn't, so how does Green deserve a spot when LD doesn't."
The answer is b/c we now have Green locked in for this WC and the next 3 after it, whereas LD is 32 and he's on the downward side of his last hoo-rah. If you didn't grab Green this WC, we wouldn't have the opportunity at the next one.... then who replaces Landon?
Klins is playing chess and the rest of us checkers...
ETA - at the end what difference does it really make, with or without LD the US has a VERY SLIM chance of winning the WC.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 9:50 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:48 am to BleedPurpleGold
If taking Green means that Germany doesn't get him, then I take Green over LD every time.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:54 am to pvilleguru
The more I see of Brooks, the less I question the decision. The other options aren't exactly world beaters (Goodson, Gooch, Orozco).
Green still doesn't make sense to me, because it's pretty clear that he isn't at (or near) the level he's playing at and it shows. You don't bring people that can't help you win a game TODAY. I'm actually shocked that people are willing to dismiss that, "because he might be good someday."
Green still doesn't make sense to me, because it's pretty clear that he isn't at (or near) the level he's playing at and it shows. You don't bring people that can't help you win a game TODAY. I'm actually shocked that people are willing to dismiss that, "because he might be good someday."
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:54 am to pvilleguru
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If taking Green means that Germany doesn't get him, then I take Green over LD every time.
yup and people are like o he just plays on the B team for Bayern. The B teams of Bayern, Real Madrids and Barca's of the world are better than some of the clubs our players are on right now.
shite even Poldi had to play on the B team a couple times and got capped and scored for Germany.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:54 am to pvilleguru
I tend to be in the LD should be in the 23 camp, but I get why Julian Green is there and all the other german dudes...
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 9:55 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 9:55 am to Sheep
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You don't bring people that can't help you win a game TODAY. I'm actually shocked that people are willing to dismiss that, "because he might be good someday."
Yet this is done every WC by big time national teams. Taking young unproven guys.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 9:58 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:00 am to Sheep
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You don't bring people that can't help you win a game TODAY. I'm actually shocked that people are willing to dismiss that, "because he might be good someday."
I didn't think Donovan was going to be a big player in this WC anyway. If it's 2010, then you take the 28 year old Donovan. However, it's 2014 and it isn't so cut and dry.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:01 am to StraightCashHomey21
Everyone wants Green for the future and we have always wanted to expand our pool. Green signed his one time switch before camp, right? I want Green to be an American (and Brooks and others) obviously, but I want to take the best 23. You play for this cycle.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:03 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Yet this is done every WC by big time national teams. Taking young unproven guys.
But, vast majority of those teams don't have gaping holes in them. The difference between us and Germany is that they can take a young player and not have to put him in until they want to. The USMNT were going to be counting on Green to come in to replace Davis (or whomever) and produce.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:06 am to FunkasaurusReb
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vast majority of those teams don't have gaping holes in them
With our talent pool we will have major holes over time that will change with player development.
I think LD should have made the team over a few players but lets be honest he isn't a starter.
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 10:08 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:09 am to StraightCashHomey21
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Yet this is done every WC by big time national teams. Taking young unproven guys.
yeah, I just wish he was as accomplished as a Sterling, Shaw, Barkley or AOC at similar ages... or Januzaj for Belgium (who is probably a better example)
Again, to me its more about LD than Julian Green... I may have dropped someone else to take him
This post was edited on 6/7/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:10 am to StraightCashHomey21
Donovan could've been on this roster while still including the young guys.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I have never said LD should've been on the squad over Green or Brooks. I just think Donovan could help this team more than Brad Davis.
I can't speak for everyone else, but I have never said LD should've been on the squad over Green or Brooks. I just think Donovan could help this team more than Brad Davis.
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:10 am to Broski
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Donovan could've been on this roster while still including the young guys.
Wondo
Posted on 6/7/14 at 10:12 am to TFTC
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yeah, I just wish he was as accomplished as a Sterling, Shaw, Barkley or AOC at similar ages... or Januzaj for Belgium (who is probably a better example)
He could have been to be honest. Sterling, Shaw and Barkley play b/c their clubs have no one better. Green is on one of the best clubs in the world and is following to the T the blueprint Bayern has to producing good footballers.
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